How Hot Is The Seat In Duncan

[ByrnesRebels05]

Think Coach Shaw should be thanking his DC and defense coaches if he remains in Duncan! The Byrnes Defense has won the games or kept them from getting beat to death in all but the Spartanburg game! Which again with the stud RB back Byrnes could be problems going forward!

21 is great, but good teams can slow him down, with no passing game.

[ByrnesRebels05]

Yea, some programs would be satisfied with a 6-4 record and a 2nd round playoff game. But those people are not Byrnes who was amongst the states elite not very long ago. And they want to get back to that status. Maybe the administration in Duncan has adopted the Greenville County philosophy on football as far as to where the program stands. But when you absolutely get boat raced by Spartanburg, the natives are just going to get more restless

Yeah, the Brass in Duncan isn't much to be desired..... they definitely get their chops from the Woke/Gville Co types..... They've just about run off all the locals of D5 in the system.

I wonder how the former AD's lawsuit played out..... never heard the result.

The funny thing about former AD is that he was the AD when Shaw was hired. Hire average, get average.

[Fridaynightfan]

The powers that be are content with Coach Shaw. He is a great man and is teaching the players how to become great men. Is he a great coach, well compared to Bentley and Miller, the record says "NO" but while the fans want trophies and status, the administration looks at the BIG PICTURE.

As for me, would I like to see them like they were from 2002 - 2011 where they were in the state title game every year except one, and won all of them except one, 8 out of 10 State Championships.... of course I would. Do I want them to fire Coach Shaw? No. And here is why:

#1 - Look at his overall record prior to this season where there are many injuries, all away games, and all the transfers (and there are many rumors about why they happened, and one man is the reason for some of them and it ain't Coach Shaw):

2023 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 9 1 - 4 0
2022 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 9 4 - 2 2
2021 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 6 6 - 3 1
2020 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 2 3 - 2 1
2019 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 11 2 - 6 1
2018 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 11 3 - 6 1
2017 Reggie Shaw Region 3-AAAAA 7 4 - 1 3

That is a 55 - 23 or 71% winning percentage.
You can throw out 2017 where he inherited the cluster of a mess and the COVID year and he is 46 - 16 or about 75% winning percentage. I know some schools that haven't had that kind of a record in any year for 25 years, let alone have that as a 7 year average.

I'll say it again, would I like to see them like they were from 2002 - 2011 where they were in the state title game every year except one, and won all of them except one, 8 out of 10 State Championships.... of course I would..... but has anyone other than Byrnes or Dutch Fork had a run of 8 championships in 10 ten years in recent history? How many did the Silver Foxes have before TK came to town? It happens in High School football, you get a great run, then you come back to the pack and another team or teams dominate.

Its time for a change and this line of thought is part of the problem. A 71% winning percentage at Byrnes is not acceptable. Not because of the history of the program, but because of the resources that are allocated in D5 for the football program. We pay as much as any High school in the state and budget for 15 assistant coaches and support at every level of the program. But yet we are getting beat by schools that dont even have a middle school program. Its embarrassing.

And the role of the Head coach isn't just to win games, it is to manage a program and lead a group of assistant coaches. Winning programs attract and develop top quality assistant coaches. Byrnes isnt a "come and get a participation trophy program". D5 certainly budgets for a winning program. When we were on the run winning state championships, it wasn't just HCs Bentley and Miller, it was the group of assistant coaches that they developed and attracted. I believe it was the 2006 staff that had 6 future head coaches on it. However now, none of the old school staff is in place.

It is time to rebuild and that starts with the HC. Coach Hodge at SHS currently has the best reputation in town and will continue to get the best assistants and have the best program, even in a district with less students and talent than D5. This is not acceptable, nor are first and second round blowouts in the playoffs. Nor is losing to Greer, a school that has half the staff and a 3rd of the resources and 40% fewer students.

And yes, I am aware of the loss of transfers, but that is no excuse. We used to have players that wanted to transfer into the district, and we took a lot of criticism for that. Now, kids are transferring out? Its time to wake up. The landscape has changed but the approach has not. The results wont change either unless the administration ups the expectations.

[Greerfan1]

The powers that be are content with Coach Shaw. He is a great man and is teaching the players how to become great men. Is he a great coach, well compared to Bentley and Miller, the record says "NO" but while the fans want trophies and status, the administration looks at the BIG PICTURE.

As for me, would I like to see them like they were from 2002 - 2011 where they were in the state title game every year except one, and won all of them except one, 8 out of 10 State Championships.... of course I would. Do I want them to fire Coach Shaw? No. And here is why:

#1 - Look at his overall record prior to this season where there are many injuries, all away games, and all the transfers (and there are many rumors about why they happened, and one man is the reason for some of them and it ain't Coach Shaw):

2023 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 9 1 - 4 0
2022 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 9 4 - 2 2
2021 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 6 6 - 3 1
2020 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 2 3 - 2 1
2019 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 11 2 - 6 1
2018 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 11 3 - 6 1
2017 Reggie Shaw Region 3-AAAAA 7 4 - 1 3

That is a 55 - 23 or 71% winning percentage.
You can throw out 2017 where he inherited the cluster of a mess and the COVID year and he is 46 - 16 or about 75% winning percentage. I know some schools that haven't had that kind of a record in any year for 25 years, let alone have that as a 7 year average.

I'll say it again, would I like to see them like they were from 2002 - 2011 where they were in the state title game every year except one, and won all of them except one, 8 out of 10 State Championships.... of course I would..... but has anyone other than Byrnes or Dutch Fork had a run of 8 championships in 10 ten years in recent history? How many did the Silver Foxes have before TK came to town? It happens in High School football, you get a great run, then you come back to the pack and another team or teams dominate.

Its time for a change and this line of thought is part of the problem. A 71% winning percentage at Byrnes is not acceptable. Not because of the history of the program, but because of the resources that are allocated in D5 for the football program. We pay as much as any High school in the state and budget for 15 assistant coaches and support at every level of the program. But yet we are getting beat by schools that dont even have a middle school program. Its embarrassing.

And the role of the Head coach isn't just to win games, it is to manage a program and lead a group of assistant coaches. Winning programs attract and develop top quality assistant coaches. Byrnes isnt a "come and get a participation trophy program". D5 certainly budgets for a winning program. When we were on the run winning state championships, it wasn't just HCs Bentley and Miller, it was the group of assistant coaches that they developed and attracted. I believe it was the 2006 staff that had 6 future head coaches on it. However now, none of the old school staff is in place.

It is time to rebuild and that starts with the HC. Coach Hodge at SHS currently has the best reputation in town and will continue to get the best assistants and have the best program, even in a district with less students and talent than D5. This is not acceptable, nor are first and second round blowouts in the playoffs. Nor is losing to Greer, a school that has half the staff and a 3rd of the resources and 40% fewer students.

And yes, I am aware of the loss of transfers, but that is no excuse. We used to have players that wanted to transfer into the district, and we took a lot of criticism for that. Now, kids are transferring out? Its time to wake up. The landscape has changed but the approach has not. The results wont change either unless the administration ups the expectations.

If a change is made, what's the chances of Hodge leaving Spartanburg for Byrnes?

[racincowboy02]

I could be wrong but I don't see Hodge leaving spartanburg right now. I could be wrong but I think that was his dream job was to coach there so I don't see him leaving

Speaking of Byrnes what happened to the SC coach that was there under bentley is he still with the program or did he move on too

[NKOTB]

I could be wrong but I don't see Hodge leaving spartanburg right now. I could be wrong but I think that was his dream job was to coach there so I don't see him leaving

Speaking of Byrnes what happened to the SC coach that was there under bentley is he still with the program or did he move on too

Could be talking about Coach Sloan that is now at Woodruff? Which I think would be a great hire seeing the job he is doing with Woodruff!

Maybe get the next best thing to Bentley his son Shuler and bring his son Jake from Rockhill

[Fridaynightfan]

The powers that be are content with Coach Shaw. He is a great man and is teaching the players how to become great men. Is he a great coach, well compared to Bentley and Miller, the record says "NO" but while the fans want trophies and status, the administration looks at the BIG PICTURE.

As for me, would I like to see them like they were from 2002 - 2011 where they were in the state title game every year except one, and won all of them except one, 8 out of 10 State Championships.... of course I would. Do I want them to fire Coach Shaw? No. And here is why:

#1 - Look at his overall record prior to this season where there are many injuries, all away games, and all the transfers (and there are many rumors about why they happened, and one man is the reason for some of them and it ain't Coach Shaw):

2023 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 9 1 - 4 0
2022 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 9 4 - 2 2
2021 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 6 6 - 3 1
2020 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 2 3 - 2 1
2019 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 11 2 - 6 1
2018 Reggie Shaw Region 2-AAAAA 11 3 - 6 1
2017 Reggie Shaw Region 3-AAAAA 7 4 - 1 3

That is a 55 - 23 or 71% winning percentage.
You can throw out 2017 where he inherited the cluster of a mess and the COVID year and he is 46 - 16 or about 75% winning percentage. I know some schools that haven't had that kind of a record in any year for 25 years, let alone have that as a 7 year average.

I'll say it again, would I like to see them like they were from 2002 - 2011 where they were in the state title game every year except one, and won all of them except one, 8 out of 10 State Championships.... of course I would..... but has anyone other than Byrnes or Dutch Fork had a run of 8 championships in 10 ten years in recent history? How many did the Silver Foxes have before TK came to town? It happens in High School football, you get a great run, then you come back to the pack and another team or teams dominate.

Its time for a change and this line of thought is part of the problem. A 71% winning percentage at Byrnes is not acceptable. Not because of the history of the program, but because of the resources that are allocated in D5 for the football program. We pay as much as any High school in the state and budget for 15 assistant coaches and support at every level of the program. But yet we are getting beat by schools that dont even have a middle school program. Its embarrassing.

And the role of the Head coach isn't just to win games, it is to manage a program and lead a group of assistant coaches. Winning programs attract and develop top quality assistant coaches. Byrnes isnt a "come and get a participation trophy program". D5 certainly budgets for a winning program. When we were on the run winning state championships, it wasn't just HCs Bentley and Miller, it was the group of assistant coaches that they developed and attracted. I believe it was the 2006 staff that had 6 future head coaches on it. However now, none of the old school staff is in place.

It is time to rebuild and that starts with the HC. Coach Hodge at SHS currently has the best reputation in town and will continue to get the best assistants and have the best program, even in a district with less students and talent than D5. This is not acceptable, nor are first and second round blowouts in the playoffs. Nor is losing to Greer, a school that has half the staff and a 3rd of the resources and 40% fewer students.

And yes, I am aware of the loss of transfers, but that is no excuse. We used to have players that wanted to transfer into the district, and we took a lot of criticism for that. Now, kids are transferring out? Its time to wake up. The landscape has changed but the approach has not. The results wont change either unless the administration ups the expectations.

If a change is made, what's the chances of Hodge leaving Spartanburg for Byrnes?

I would say close to zero for Hodge leaving for Byrnes. I mention him as an example of how he has built the best staff in town. He's already in a $100k plus job with support from admin, etc.

[Fridaynightfan]

I could be wrong but I don't see Hodge leaving spartanburg right now. I could be wrong but I think that was his dream job was to coach there so I don't see him leaving

Speaking of Byrnes what happened to the SC coach that was there under bentley is he still with the program or did he move on too

Coach Srock was the SC coach for many years. He retired a few years back.

[Rebel-Fan-74]

Could be talking about Coach Sloan that is now at Woodruff? Which I think would be a great hire seeing the job he is doing with Woodruff!

Maybe get the next best thing to Bentley his son Shuler and bring his son Jake from Rockhill

IF, and that is the operative word here, IF a change is made, I think you have to make a BIG hire and I think you would have to have a really good idea that the hire is going to happen (with some discussions already taking place and the only thing pending is the "official" job offer and acceptance taking place after the opening is announced and some time passes to make it look like you followed the District Policy on hiring). The worst thing would be to fire a coach and then have trouble filling the job and then it appears that you are "settling for" a candidate. That was the impression that many folks had the last time we had an opening. Many people expected to get a "NAME" and when Coach Shaw was hired there was a lot of "Who is he?" type reactions from all over the place.

As for the Shuler and Jake idea, I'd have to give that one the THUMBS UP as far as getting things excited around the program, I'd be worried about the experience factor, but they have been around the program and know the playbook from cover to cover and they do have an "IN" with the author of the playbook.... so it would be On The Job Training in some cases, but worth the risk to find out if they can build the program back and make the right hires for the assistant coaches to get the best coaches available and not hire friends, get their own Coach Shrock to run the conditioning and strength program.... etc, and etc, and don't forget the etc.

[icoachfb53]

Byrnes needs to stop living in the PAST. Time to move on and grow. The past was GREAT! but it is over- move on.