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5thqtr
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City Of Rock Hill Transfer Rule

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Rebel-Fan-74 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:03 pm
I didn't even watch them...

It is just not something I want to see. It's like putting Clemson in the Southern Conference, playing Furman, Wofford, UT Chattanooga, etc.
Not sure about other cities and towns across the state; but the Rock Hill School district has a strict rule about a kid transferring! The kid can't play sports for an entire year before being eligible.
I think perhaps this came about as some motivation to entice kids to go to Legion Collegiate or York Preparatory Academy. So far, it's not taking off like I would imagine they thought! There is still an awful lot of pride to being part of "something bigger than yourself"!
At a prep school focused on your ability to get into college and do well in the class and on the field - "it's a whole lot more selfish"! Where is the heart and pride of wanting to strap up with your bros. from the block?

It might be the wave of the future - but I hope/pray one day someone in position to make a difference puts down some plain English. "It's not a fair deal for the other school if they also can't get their players the same way, period"! I don't care if people say; "it's just like a school of choice"! Etc. The fact is; for a parent to think their kid is going somewhere - that kid has likely flashed some ability! Or has a college like body/frame/height and to the parents credit they are trying to take advantage not only for themselves; but for the kids future. I have no issue with that - - > but they should be playing other schools who are also constructed of kids "like that"!
No knock on the concept!
Big knock on them competing with schools constrained by strict transfer rules! Be cool to see Rock Hill ease up on it's transfer rules and then - let's go Charlotte Catholic. Let's go whoever! And that squad may not win - but at least "it was on a level playing field"! What's going on now is just simply not right!
How long before schools start doing these schools like the schools around Baltimore, MD did St. Frances Academy? Just refuse to play them or schedule them - because they had a far and away advantage on the field to the point of ridicolous! Some people; I guess do not believe in "SPORT"!
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Re: Recruiting

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Rebel-Fan-74 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:33 pm
Damefan wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:44 pm

I don't think you will ever entirely solve the problem, however placing them in a division that the "OVERALL" talent level might be more in line with their competition will slow them down. Private schools and Sports themed schools are a growing theme in this country. The following article is from Forbes magazine Dec 2015. It is a good read about New Jersey.
So the solution is to punish the mid- and lower level 5A schools that already have to face the Gaffney's & Dutch Fork's by adding the schools that recruit? I'm sure Riverside, Wade Hampton and the likes are all in favor of that solution....


Why not just do away with all classifications, allow schools to choose where they want to play like they do for college. You want to be Division I (or FBS), Division 1A (or FCS), Division II, etc?
that's not bad

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Re: Recruiting

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I switched it off!

It wasn't fair to those SB kids.
Not in a "bleeding heart" kind of not fair either!
It wasn't fair from the concept of the two playing the game!
Kids don't go there because they "don't have the ability"!
SB and say Abbeville - have to work with the kids who are there!
That's the part that's so wrong! If in some years you have more kids who just think they are good instead of like other years where you get kids who "know they are good and can play"! The public school has to "Hope/Pray" they have some talent coming up and that it all comes together! No such thing with these private schools/ prep/academy/collegiates.
Just wrong man! Unless they play each other - then the few people who want to see their kids do well can enjoy the game with other parents of kids who are just there for the "next level"! Not necessarily for something bigger(could be though not saying it's impossible) than themselves like a neighborhood or town or community.
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Re: Recruiting

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Onion Rings wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:06 pm
Rebel-Fan-74 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:33 pm
Damefan wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:44 pm

I don't think you will ever entirely solve the problem, however placing them in a division that the "OVERALL" talent level might be more in line with their competition will slow them down. Private schools and Sports themed schools are a growing theme in this country. The following article is from Forbes magazine Dec 2015. It is a good read about New Jersey.
So the solution is to punish the mid- and lower level 5A schools that already have to face the Gaffney's & Dutch Fork's by adding the schools that recruit? I'm sure Riverside, Wade Hampton and the likes are all in favor of that solution....


Why not just do away with all classifications, allow schools to choose where they want to play like they do for college. You want to be Division I (or FBS), Division 1A (or FCS), Division II, etc?
that's not bad
It could be bad! What if a Gray Collegiate chooses to play in 1A?
They just need their own league. And, do not have different classifications for it.. Just one private school best football team state champion. You can't say anything about a "advantage because of size of school when all of them recruit"!
Right or wrong?

The reason the classification system exist is so larger schools don't have a: deeper pool of talent to choose from therefore a competitive advantage. If they all get kid who are or believe themselves to be or their parents believe they are college material - forget about a classification system. Right? So, Gray would play Heathwood Hall. Bishop England all would end up playing the other so called good "private schools"! Are they good or just have better talent because of their unique ability?
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Re: City Of Rock Hill Transfer Rule

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5thqtr wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:05 pm
Rebel-Fan-74 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:03 pm
I didn't even watch them...

It is just not something I want to see. It's like putting Clemson in the Southern Conference, playing Furman, Wofford, UT Chattanooga, etc.
Not sure about other cities and towns across the state; but the Rock Hill School district has a strict rule about a kid transferring! The kid can't play sports for an entire year before being eligible.
I think perhaps this came about as some motivation to entice kids to go to Legion Collegiate or York Preparatory Academy. So far, it's not taking off like I would imagine they thought! There is still an awful lot of pride to being part of "something bigger than yourself"!
At a prep school focused on your ability to get into college and do well in the class and on the field - "it's a whole lot more selfish"! Where is the heart and pride of wanting to strap up with your bros. from the block?

It might be the wave of the future - but I hope/pray one day someone in position to make a difference puts down some plain English. "It's not a fair deal for the other school if they also can't get their players the same way, period"! I don't care if people say; "it's just like a school of choice"! Etc. The fact is; for a parent to think their kid is going somewhere - that kid has likely flashed some ability! Or has a college like body/frame/height and to the parents credit they are trying to take advantage not only for themselves; but for the kids future. I have no issue with that - - > but they should be playing other schools who are also constructed of kids "like that"!
No knock on the concept!
Big knock on them competing with schools constrained by strict transfer rules! Be cool to see Rock Hill ease up on it's transfer rules and then - let's go Charlotte Catholic. Let's go whoever! And that squad may not win - but at least "it was on a level playing field"! What's going on now is just simply not right!
How long before schools start doing these schools like the schools around Baltimore, MD did St. Frances Academy? Just refuse to play them or schedule them - because they had a far and away advantage on the field to the point of ridicolous! Some people; I guess do not believe in "SPORT"!
Rock Hill schools have a policy mandated by the previous superintendent to not play Legion. Also, the transfer rule has sort of stopped being enforced due to both Dr. Cook resigning but also Dr. Kokolis, the de facto district AD retiring.

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Re: Recruiting

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In the Columbia area there is a lot of movement of kids. We all know about Gray but Richland One and Two allow movement of kids as well. These districts are dictating to the SCHSL transfer rules. It is not supposed to work that way. There needs to be 2 divisions. Traditional and school choice. If you choose traditional you must abide by all high school league rules as far as transfers. If caught breaking rules your team is out of the playoffs.
Everyone else can play in the school choice/wild west league.

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Re: Recruiting

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midstateguy wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:40 am
In the Columbia area there is a lot of movement of kids. We all know about Gray but Richland One and Two allow movement of kids as well. These districts are dictating to the SCHSL transfer rules. It is not supposed to work that way. There needs to be 2 divisions. Traditional and school choice. If you choose traditional you must abide by all high school league rules as far as transfers. If caught breaking rules your team is out of the playoffs.
Everyone else can play in the school choice/wild west league.
I like your train of thought!

You hit on something I wanted to elaborate on; which is the fact the school districts kind of created some of this. Charter/Collegiate/Academies/Prepatory/etc. schools were big in northern states for years. Plucking the best talent out of public schools and then having that kid go play his old h.s. and people sit back and still look in amazement that the private school won the contest. How could they not when they took that schools best/brightest + added best and brightest from other schools? Making the other team weaker off the gate. Let alone the across the board talent!

I would say this - parents making moves to better their kids future is not the problem here. Years ago with Byrnes H.S. if I was a parent with a kid I thought had next level potentiall and I could have gotten him to Byrnes - "I Would Have"! **Important Piece** Especially if the H.S. my kid attends has him A. playing out of position. B. is not giving him the guidance/coaching they need to improve. C. have no connection with colleges and aren't interested in really helping my kid get to the next level. D. have a very laid back approach to the sport - i.e. they are just filling a billet and winning and doing well isn't important. D. the school academically isn't preparing my kid for the next level.

Any of those are true - and granted - the one about the kid playing out of position is a bit tricky. What I mean there is; "he's an outstanding WR in a offense that is at least balanced; but we are zoned for a school/coach/team that only passes the ball 2 times a game"!
In that scenario; what administrators have never connected the dots on is - "the scheme doesn't fit the kids skill set"! That same kid could one day(who knows) make it to the league and be the biggest donor the school has ever seen; but they won't likely get that chance because they won't be able to display what they can do on the football field. That option coach may have them as a RB and they may just be average at that or slightly above average - then they fall into the not FBS material bucket or not given a chance by any school on any level. No video to show in order to get an invite to camps! It's just bad!
We do it for academics all the time - at least in college! Remember the rule about you can be a graduate transfer if the school you are at does not offer certain classes "you need"?
Same thing!
It's the same thing; because you need that scheme in order to improve and get video so you can set yourself up with an invite to camp so you can prove your worth/value. But, you won't get the opportunity more than likely playing out your element. Well, do it for the team they may say! Okay, sounds good, but are the parents who have a science wiz going to leave their kid in a school that is horrible at science? No; they won't! People just can't wrap their head about this because it's sports! It carries the same possibility of leading to "More Opportunity" as the academic situation! Obviously, at a institute of higher learning if you are good enough.
But, I put a bunch of this on the school districts trying to keep the facade that it's supposed to be even - although one school has a staff possibly that cares more and is more knowledgeable of a sport than another school. Don't punish the kid! The kids that just want to wear the uniform and get the Letter jacket can go to that school and play for that staff! The school that is serious about making you a better player/person/student and possible next level player should have that opportunity. Get all the schools to the point where they have a Tom Knotts there and you won't see so many kids trying to break neck to play there! Same thing for Byrnes years ago! I don't believe the school recruited at all! The parents of kids with potential - sought out the school district and zone! And, I don't blame them for the above reasons given! Opportunity to improve and better ones situation!
Staying and not giving yourself a chance might be admirable; but is it the best thing for your long term goals? Will you live with regret of what could have been? Probably! Especially if you had the talent that was not cultivated and developed where you were at.
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Re: Recruiting

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5thqtr wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:08 am
I like your train of thought!

You hit on something I wanted to elaborate on; which is the fact the school districts kind of created some of this. Charter/Collegiate/Academies/Prepatory/etc. schools were big in northern states for years. Plucking the best talent out of public schools and then having that kid go play his old h.s. and people sit back and still look in amazement that the private school won the contest. How could they not when they took that schools best/brightest + added best and brightest from other schools? Making the other team weaker off the gate. Let alone the across the board talent!

I would say this - parents making moves to better their kids future is not the problem here. Years ago with Byrnes H.S. if I was a parent with a kid I thought had next level potentiall and I could have gotten him to Byrnes - "I Would Have"! **Important Piece** Especially if the H.S. my kid attends has him A. playing out of position. B. is not giving him the guidance/coaching they need to improve. C. have no connection with colleges and aren't interested in really helping my kid get to the next level. D. have a very laid back approach to the sport - i.e. they are just filling a billet and winning and doing well isn't important. D. the school academically isn't preparing my kid for the next level.
There was a lot of that between 2003-2010 for us and for the reasons you mentioned. A lot of folks talked about how even with all that success we didn't have a bunch of DIVISION ONE offers... but we did have a whole bunch of kids who went on to other schools with some sort of financial assistance to get them on to the next level. I can't tell you how many kids went to Tuscollum, Middle Tenn State, North Greenville, etc because of the connections that Bobby and Chris had with coaches. My friend's son basically paid for less than 10-15 percent of his college expenses due to grants, athletic related financial assistance and the "John Doe" and "Sally Smith" type scholarships from the school. Like them or hate them, Bobby and Chris poured a lot into not only the football program, but to the young men who played for them. They were winners and they produced winners.


......................... W L %
Chris Miller......... 79 - 10 89%
Average-6 yrs..... 13.17 - 1.67 89%
State Champ...... 4 - 1 80%

......................... W L %
Bobby Bentley.... 119 - 54 69%
Last seven......... 90 - 10 90%
First six.............. 29 - 44 40%
Average-13 yrs... 9.15 - 4.15 69%
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Re: Recruiting

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96fanatic wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:06 pm
Rebel-Fan-74 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:43 am
96fanatic wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:34 am
Someone explain to me how this recruiting works.
people are saying that Gray has players from all
over the state.can someone give me an example.
does Gray move the family and find the parents
a job near the school.do parents send their kids
there just to play football or because they think
they will get a better education.do most of the
kids live within reasonable driving distance.does
Gray pay the kids or the parents to play.i ask the
same questions for Southside Christian,Christ Church
and St. Joseph's in Greenville.if a kid is a good athlete
why would he want to go to these schools just
to play sports.Are they going there just for sports or
because they are getting the shot at a better education.
Earlier this year, we had a very intense discussion on this subject, Click here for the previous post:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7566

It is not going away and something is going to have to happen either because of this lawsuit or because of the uproar of coaches, parents and fans. After over 100 replies, there were several ideas, but just like discussions on realignment, no idea was without it's shortcomings.
I still don't see an example of a kid from the upper state or lower state
that Gray recruited to play football.I don't know but i would guess that
most all their players are from that area and the ones that are not is because
their family moved to that area for reasons other than their kid attending Gray.
Grey recruits. You can look at their players. You can’t tell me that many talent 6 foot whatever athletes are zoned for that school. It’s fine if you want to move and play somewhere else. The problem is when your living in one county and claiming residence in another that u want to play in that part is wrong

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