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[mrfootballtalk]

So with what you just said that schools in metro areas recruit that is all well and good. Some are better than others at it for sure. Parents should be able to move their child to improve their chances for sure, but that does not negate the statement you made about rural schools not having the same opportunities to "recruit".

So the schools that can cap their enrollment and only allow in athletes to their student bodies is that the same???? Should they be playing against teams that can not do the same thing???? Or should the schools that are allowed to pick and choose their student body be made to play with the schools that can do this as well???

In fairness to the smaller schools that have to use what they have in their attendance zones, because people are not moving there, be made to play against schools that either do not have a legitimate zone, because they are not apart of a district and can "recruit" players from an entire county.

I see the problem not so much of the they can recruit and kids should have the option to better themselves in athletics or academics, because they should be able to do that. Good programs do recruit players not necessarily in a going out and physically recruit them, but when families are looking to move and they want their kid to be apart of a great program that factors into the equation. The problem is the level playing field, why do you think IMG is not apart of the Florida league??? Because they are not on a level playing field with the rest of the public high schools.

This is not just a football problem, it is an all sport problem for these smaller schools. Either have a charter/private league or make all non-public schools that want to play in the SCHSL play classifications up.

Great post, spot on. Districts are well-defined for public schools. If a kid lives across the street from a district line, they will have to jump through some hoops to play in a district they literally live across the street from. That is definitely not going to be the case for these recruiting private schools and they know it. I wonder how much different things would look if a private school had a defined geographical area they had to draw from?

Private schools can pick and choose both their students (athletes) and how many they allow to attend, essentially allowing them to drop down classifications as they please. For example, Southside Christian can't be Abbeville in 2A and see that another private school is having great success recruiting (Gray), so they drop to 1A to win two straight championships (Take a look at the margin of victory against 1A schools). I guess all those traditional powerhouse 1A schools have suddenly forgotten how to coach and play the game, oh well. Guess they should just give up.

First off private schools do have attendance zones. Look it up. In Greenville County SCS is JL Mann, St joe is JL Mann and Christ Church is Southside High. If a kid comes into your school that is not one of those then they parent and school have to have a intradistrict transfer from for the school the kid is trying to leave. If they school the kid is leaving will not sign the form the student is not eligible to play sports there for one year. If you honestly think schools are caping their enrollment for sports reasons you are 1,000 percent wrong. Those three schools enrollment have stayed the same for the last 4-6 years. SCS dropped because the SCHSL lowered the number to drop into 1A because they didn't have enough teams in 1A. Opinions and facts are different things. You can believe that schools are capping enrollment but what facts are there? Schools like that have only so much room .. so yes they max limits on capacity but that is a building capacity thing and classroom space thing not a philosophical thing for sports.. State Championships don't pay the electric and water bills. Listening to a Abbeville Fan lecturing someone on fairness is laughable. You guy have dozens of kids that should have been at Calhoun Falls playing in Abbeville. Why has CF gotten so small ? Is it just nobody is moving in ? or someone taking players ? Is Abbeville recruiting them or are they just leaving for a better situation ... I would love to here the answers to this.

Dozens of Kids from Calhoun falls....maybe a dozen total in 15yrs to play at abbeville why are you especially so worried that abbeville is recruiting players. You just told me couple weeks ago that we don't send any to college. But again misinformation at the highest. Why would anyone wanna come to the town of abbeville? We just have a different kind of pride that is infectious to others. I still don't know your high school program but I know abbeville we don't even cut players and maybe dress 45 players maybe 50 with JV players pulled up. I don't understand it. The fairness is kids at regular schools go to class for 7hrs and at some Charters they go for 4hrs if that. That's the only place where things aren't level. Please don't move them so the ATrain roll over them.

First, I think Abbeville is a great program .. tons of respect and pride. But you sort of proved my point about recruiting. Kids from CF want to come to abbeville because they have a chance to win, be seen by colleges, more than likely get a better education. Those same things are the reason why some families would rather go to a charter or private. Better education, exposure and maybe a better program? All kids no matter what classification leave for generally the same three reasons. Nobody would just leave their kid in a poor performing school or a disaster of a athletic program just for pride! If they would than frankly they are not doing what is best for their kid. But when people start accusing schools of recruiting 6th graders it's laughable. I don't agree with the Gray or Oceanside model. It is an advantage but it's not illegal. Honestly it's a cutting edge model. When you look at the stuff that fills have these kids days up on the schedule it is mostly unnecessary crap. So they just cut it out and went with the stuff that matters and now kids get home earlier .. it's actually pretty smart.

[dacoach]

Why is it that when people talking about these Charter Schools recruiting, there seems to be very select few who scream "They ain't recruiting"?

Every coach I know in this entire state, firmly believes these Charter Schools are not following the same rules and guidelines as regular public schools. Nearly every coach has a story of a player going to one of these charter schools, playing on their sports teams but not living anywhere near the actual school. This is not "normal". This is not the same standards that public schools are held to. Period. End of discussion.

IMG does not play for the Florida State Championship because they don't operate like the public schools in Florida. If the South Carolina charter schools (all owned and funded by the same people) want to field teams and compete against other charter schools, then by all means, have at it.

But to say they are equal to public schools or answer to the same requirements and rules is a flat out lie that no one is believing but you.

Wear your "Phenom" gear and have at it....

[mrfootballtalk]

Why is it that when people talking about these Charter Schools recruiting, there seems to be very select few who scream "They ain't recruiting"?

Every coach I know in this entire state, firmly believes these Charter Schools are not following the same rules and guidelines as regular public schools. Nearly every coach has a story of a player going to one of these charter schools, playing on their sports teams but not living anywhere near the actual school. This is not "normal". This is not the same standards that public schools are held to. Period. End of discussion.

IMG does not play for the Florida State Championship because they don't operate like the public schools in Florida. If the South Carolina charter schools (all owned and funded by the same people) want to field teams and compete against other charter schools, then by all means, have at it.

But to say they are equal to public schools or answer to the same requirements and rules is a flat out lie that no one is believing but you.

Wear your "Phenom" gear and have at it....

Sorry man .. but to say here and say public schools don't recruit or it is just a charter school thing is just not reality

[Fortfor5]

Why is it that when people talking about these Charter Schools recruiting, there seems to be very select few who scream "They ain't recruiting"?

Every coach I know in this entire state, firmly believes these Charter Schools are not following the same rules and guidelines as regular public schools. Nearly every coach has a story of a player going to one of these charter schools, playing on their sports teams but not living anywhere near the actual school. This is not "normal". This is not the same standards that public schools are held to. Period. End of discussion.

IMG does not play for the Florida State Championship because they don't operate like the public schools in Florida. If the South Carolina charter schools (all owned and funded by the same people) want to field teams and compete against other charter schools, then by all means, have at it.

But to say they are equal to public schools or answer to the same requirements and rules is a flat out lie that no one is believing but you.

Wear your "Phenom" gear and have at it....

Sorry man .. but to say here and say public schools don't recruit or it is just a charter school thing is just not reality

Sure they do always have .its just not as easy as it is for charter private or what have you .open it up is the only logical solution .
Wait till the nil money moves to hs it will at some point.
Thrn we will have big issues.

[Damefan]

Why is it that when people talking about these Charter Schools recruiting, there seems to be very select few who scream "They ain't recruiting"?

Every coach I know in this entire state, firmly believes these Charter Schools are not following the same rules and guidelines as regular public schools. Nearly every coach has a story of a player going to one of these charter schools, playing on their sports teams but not living anywhere near the actual school. This is not "normal". This is not the same standards that public schools are held to. Period. End of discussion.

IMG does not play for the Florida State Championship because they don't operate like the public schools in Florida. If the South Carolina charter schools (all owned and funded by the same people) want to field teams and compete against other charter schools, then by all means, have at it.

But to say they are equal to public schools or answer to the same requirements and rules is a flat out lie that no one is believing but you.

Wear your "Phenom" gear and have at it....

IMG does play in the Florida State Championships. They have two programs, one is their elite program that plays a National schedule. Then there is the Varsity program that plays in the 3AAA division. They lost their final game this year to Clearwater Academy International 54-22 in the playoffs.

https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/i ... hedule.htm

National Team: https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/i ... hedule.htm

[dacoach]

mrfootballtalk....

Give me a moment. I am re-reading my post to see where I said public schools don't recruit.



Hhhmmm....

Yeah.... ain't seeing it, but thanks for your contributions.