First Look at Playoff Projections for 11/2

[Chief Whoa]

Ashley Ridge would have to get eliminated(I think). Looks like they'd have to lose and Woodmont or Hanna would need a lot of help. Everyone else in D.1 seems pretty locked in unless we have some sort of crazy SCHSL drama again.

The exception to these rules- If "Stratford" is somehow taken by the D1 bracket, they also will be seeded better than Gaffney.
So add (+1) to each of the possible seeds given.

Thanks

What scenario(s) would put Stratford in the D1 bracket?

It could happen, but it would take several results to fall into place, but it mainly involves the cut off line for at large being 32.5 and not 32.0 points. The first thing that MUST HAPPEN is Woodmont beating Hillcrest and Fort Mill beating Nation Ford and Ashely Ridge losing to Fort Dorchester, which would eliminate Rock Hill from the playoffs and put Stratford in Division One.

Woodmont would get to 33.0 points while with a loss to Fort D, Ashley Ridge is at 32.5 points and 59 wins while Rock Hill would be at 32.5 and 52 wins while Fort Mill would climb to 32.5 and 54 wins....leaving Rock Hill as the odd man out.

There may be other ways for it to happen, but this is the one that I managed to come up with....

Thanks men!

[Chief Whoa]

HSBGuru,
Believe what you want.

After Northwestern, Byrnes and Goose Creek just about every other set of gurus in the state have the following teams in a gaggle:

• South Florence
  Spring Valley
  South Pointe
  Dutch Fork
  York
  North Augusta
  Stratford
  Hillcrest

You don't think SF belongs in that group, I think your wrong. You don't think SF vs NW would be interesting, I again think you are wrong. NW would be obviously heavily favored but I think the rural underdogs would make the best of their time in the bright lights of Rock Hill D3 stadium.

I would give the Trojans the same advice I gave to the Knights last week, keep watching Goose Creek videos, that's the game you need to prepare for.

Gaffney has to be in that gaggle somewhere even without much of a defense. I am disappointed SF Band dad.

[SF Band dad]

Gaffney has to be in that gaggle somewhere even without much of a defense. I am disappointed SF Band dad.

Both of the rankings lists I looked at have Gaffney at #12, although the teams above and below them shift around. It's all very subjective.

[HSFBGuru]

You are correct, Gaffney should be in the 2nd tier of teams. My reasoning for not believing in South Florence or Spring Valley for that matter is based on history. Historically PeeDee and Columbia area 4A teams have struggled mightily come playoff time (Dutch Fork got a fortunate draw last year with Byrnes and Gaffney being in the same side of the bracket) Time and time again an 11-0 or 10-1 team from the PeeDee or Columbia area gets beat by a team from the upper state that had a 7-4 or 8-3 regular season (that finished 3rd in their region). The reality is a Gaffney, Spartanburg, or South Pointe, as bad as they may look against Byrnes or Northwestern, they are probably sitting with an 11-0 or 10-1 type of record if they are NOT in Region 2 or 3. The biggest difference is speed. Go to the South Florence vs. Stratford game, then go to Northwestern vs. South Pointe, its like going from FCS football to FBS football. Goose Creek is the exception, coach Reedy has done a great job down there using size to an advantage to compete and beat many upper state teams, but GC is just so big. Most other teams don't have that advantage.

HSBGuru,
Believe what you want.

After Northwestern, Byrnes and Goose Creek just about every other set of gurus in the state have the following teams in a gaggle:

• South Florence
  Spring Valley
  South Pointe
  Dutch Fork
  York
  North Augusta
  Stratford
  Hillcrest

You don't think SF belongs in that group, I think your wrong. You don't think SF vs NW would be interesting, I again think you are wrong. NW would be obviously heavily favored but I think the rural underdogs would make the best of their time in the bright lights of Rock Hill D3 stadium.

I would give the Trojans the same advice I gave to the Knights last week, keep watching Goose Creek videos, that's the game you need to prepare for.

Gaffney has to be in that gaggle somewhere even without much of a defense. I am disappointed SF Band dad.

[bruindad79]

HSFBGuru,

Well your either one or two things, either your a Gaffney fan who pissed off your team will be ranked lower than us OR a NW/GC bandwaggoner who just wants to talk trash . From your previous post, you must be another Gaffney fan

[HSFBGuru]

Neither, I played high school football in Columbia (Irmo) and was a walk on at App State before transferring to Chapel Hill (did NOT play football there), then went to medical school. I now have my office in Pawleys Island and enjoy the good life on the coast.
Secondly, why is your response that I am "pissed off"? I love how people respond to a well thought out reply with, "Well, you are just mad." Why not respond and say good point, but here is why I see it THIS way. Tell me what makes you think South Florence could hang with NW or GC...or even SP or NA for that matter. What makes you think that?

I joined today because I didn't know this site existed, I like it here because there are less Byrnes fans. As for my statement on Stratford, I did NOT say Jacob Park was mediocre, I stated that Stratford was. Park is elite, but on a mediocre team. Much like Adrian Peterson is elite, but on a subpar team (Minnesota Vikings). South Florence is a decent team, and with the right draw, might make the semis. But I am sorry they aren't in the same ballpark as NW and GC. They probably also couldn't hang with South Pointe or North Augusta. SF is in that third tier of Division II teams, now, they are the top of the 3rd tier, but the 3rd tier nonetheless.


Well your either one or two things, either your a Gaffney fan who pissed off your team will be ranked lower than us OR a NW/GC bandwaggoner who just wants to talk trash . So which is it??

[DeCav]

If I had to make a guess I think Bruindad was just prodding you a bit. It took me a long time on the message boards to figure out when someone was really pissed and when they were just putting on. Smileys are always a good indication that a fellow is just jerkin your chain a bit.

I'm sure with any fan there is gonna be a measure of indignity. Whenever you suggest that a team might be overrated you're gonna get a prickly reaction from at least one fan but the fact that he didn't come back with several paragraphs worth of counterpoints leads me to believe that he's just teasing you. South Florence fans are a bright bunch and this site is proof of that. They know they will be the Rodney D's of 4A even though they beat a pretty good Stratford team.

The thing is there's no reason to say they COULDN'T hang with NW or Byrnes except just history and probabilities. If this was Goose Creek's first good year people would be saying the same thing about them based on the teams they've played so far. As Dr. Phil would say, the best predictor of future behavior is your past behavior. IF you want to change the predictions of your future you have to begin building a new past which is gonna take time.

I for one think South Florence could beat NW if they were a little flat for a couple of quarters. Trojangrad78 has seen the Trojans play that way this year. But South Florence would still be the underdog in that game for sure.

[HSFBGuru]

Good points. As for NW vs. SF, I think it would take a colossal meltdown for NW to lose that game. They have played flat for 2 quarters at a time, against Byrnes, and still won. Granted Byrnes will argue they didn't play that well also, but I think it was both teams defenses playing strong that made the offenses look "flat". As for GC vs. SF, again, GC would have to turn it over 4-6 times and SF play mistake free for SF to win that game. GC's long drives and shear size difference will over power SF. I am not saying SF is a bad team, in fact, they are a very good team. But unless NW laid a total egg, they would beat SF by 17-28 points. GC, the game might be a bit closer, but GC would still win in the 1-21 range (only reason I say that is I believe NW has an elite defense, and GC just has a good defense).

If I had to make a guess I think Bruindad was just prodding you a bit. It took me a long time on the message boards to figure out when someone was really pissed and when they were just putting on. Smileys are always a good indication that a fellow is just jerkin your chain a bit.

I'm sure with any fan there is gonna be a measure of indignity. Whenever you suggest that a team might be overrated you're gonna get a prickly reaction from at least one fan but the fact that he didn't come back with several paragraphs worth of counterpoints leads me to believe that he's just teasing you. South Florence fans are a bright bunch and this site is proof of that. They know they will be the Rodney D's of 4A even though they beat a pretty good Stratford team.

The thing is there's no reason to say they COULDN'T hang with NW or Byrnes except just history and probabilities. If this was Goose Creek's first good year people would be saying the same thing about them based on the teams they've played so far. As Dr. Phil would say, the best predictor of future behavior is your past behavior. IF you want to change the predictions of your future you have to begin building a new past which is gonna take time.

I for one think South Florence could beat NW if they were a little flat for a couple of quarters. Trojangrad78 has seen the Trojans play that way this year. But South Florence would still be the underdog in that game for sure.

[trojangrad78]

I for one think South Florence could beat NW if they were a little flat for a couple of quarters. Trojangrad78 has seen the Trojans play that way this year. But South Florence would still be the underdog in that game for sure.

Hindsight is always 20-20. There has been a lot of discussion between myself and some of my friends, and upon looking back, we think we have reached a few conclusions about this season and high school football in general.

1. We had to remind ourselves that these are still teenagers and they read all about themselves and the other teams.
2. Being teenagers, quoting from Bill Cosby, they are brain damaged.
3. Being brain damaged, they can have trouble "getting up" for a game, no matter what the coaching staff does to motivate them.
4. We all agreed that after the Byrnes' game, until the York game, the offense was plain jane vanilla calls and scoring just enough to win was all that mattered.
5. The change to what is called the "NASCAR" package, which brings 2 senior db's in as wr's, has really opened up the deep game and is exciting to watch. It has added an additional dimension that did not exist early in the season.
6. It is a strong possibility/probability that the deep game was being held back until late in the season as it developed over time during practices.
7. The team had NO problem getting up for York. As for the South Pointe game, that was the week that their qb was arrested and their entire offense was screwed up. South Pointe is still not overall as good as NW, imho because the SP db's are weak, but they will make a lot of noise in the playoffs.
8. NW's defense may be a lot better than some, including me, have given credit to. Holding Byrnes' HPO to "only" 35 is no small task.
9. We count our blessings to be able to watch a program as consistently good as NW. While they don't have the number of state championships as Byrnes, playing the state championship game in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012 is still amazing and many schools wish they could do that.
10. The games are played/won/lost on the field. Fans play the games off the field in conversations full of "what if", "should", "could" and after the games, "ought to", "could have", and "should have".
11. We, the fans, should not expect the kids to perform like paid professionals. They are kids and will make mistakes.
12. High school football is just a game. When it takes higher priority than faith/family/friends, it is time to check one's priorities. When the game is over, let it go. Be a class winner and a class loser.

just some ramblings of an old man

[bruindad79]

I for one think South Florence could beat NW if they were a little flat for a couple of quarters. Trojangrad78 has seen the Trojans play that way this year. But South Florence would still be the underdog in that game for sure.

1. We had to remind ourselves that these are still teenagers and they read all about themselves and the other teams.
2. Being teenagers, quoting from Bill Cosby, they are brain damaged.
3. Being brain damaged, they can have trouble "getting up" for a game, no matter what the coaching staff does to motivate them.
9. We count our blessings to be able to watch a program as consistently good as NW. While they don't have the number of state championships as Byrnes, playing the state championship game in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012 is still amazing and many schools wish they could do that.
10. The games are played/won/lost on the field. Fans play the games off the field in conversations full of "what if", "should", "could" and after the games, "ought to", "could have", and "should have".
11. We, the fans, should not expect the kids to perform like paid professionals. They are kids and will make mistakes.
12. High school football is just a game. When it takes higher priority than faith/family/friends, it is time to check one's priorities. When the game is over, let it go. Be a class winner and a class loser.

just some ramblings of an old man

I couldnt agree more... I dont expect our kids to be perfect, just give 100%, execute your position to the absolute best of your ability, and win with class and lose with class.