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Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:19 pm
by eagle93
Just trying to see things objectively. Other schools are growing faster, in metro areas, have more to choose from or the ability to recruit. Perhaps lots of kids still roaming the halls or streets. Back in the days you were almost like a celebrity in school just for being on the team. Greenwood was a school where at least the region title was pretty much automatic. Now can't hardly even win that. Have great facilities, but just can't seem to put all of the pieces together. I guess I'm finally accepting that this might just be the new norm. Average at best. Well. I guess at least we gave some titles. Lol.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:04 pm
by GwoodEagle2k1
eagle93 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:19 pm
Just trying to see things objectively. Other schools are growing faster, in metro areas, have more to choose from or the ability to recruit. Perhaps lots of kids still roaming the halls or streets. Back in the days you were almost like a celebrity in school just for being on the team. Greenwood was a school where at least the region title was pretty much automatic. Now can't hardly even win that. Have great facilities, but just can't seem to put all of the pieces together. I guess I'm finally accepting that this might just be the new norm. Average at best. Well. I guess at least we gave some titles. Lol.
Yup..... Unfortunately things haven't been the same since Cathcart left. I've personally been holding on to the past far too long and tonight was the last straw. I'm still from Greenwood, Greenwood high School graduate, will always cheer for them to win. Like I said on a previous post Greenwood is in my blood and that will never change. But what I'm not about to do is travel all around the state wasting my gas to watch that type of BS. I'm glad we have a radio station to where I can listen and cheer them on that way. Hate to say it like that. But with my work schedule, social life ect..... I simply have better things to do than to go to a game and watch Greenwood get their brains beat in week in and week out. Kind of sad for a school that has such R
Rich tradition in football in regards to winning. Is what it is though. The current level of our program is no better than the easley's of the world. Hell we might get beat by them too. Who knows. I hope not but wouldn't be surprised.
In regards to the transfer portal, there are really no big jobs in Greenwood like that so no family would want to move there. But more than that coach liner and the ad don't want to win that way anyway. So that's out. And honestly that's about the only way I see Greenwood winning consistently is through the transfer portal which is not an option for us.
So we'll probably have a competitive team that makes a run once every 7 to 10 years.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:21 pm
by eagle93
GwoodEagle2k1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:04 pm
eagle93 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:19 pm
Just trying to see things objectively. Other schools are growing faster, in metro areas, have more to choose from or the ability to recruit. Perhaps lots of kids still roaming the halls or streets. Back in the days you were almost like a celebrity in school just for being on the team. Greenwood was a school where at least the region title was pretty much automatic. Now can't hardly even win that. Have great facilities, but just can't seem to put all of the pieces together. I guess I'm finally accepting that this might just be the new norm. Average at best. Well. I guess at least we gave some titles. Lol.
Yup..... Unfortunately things haven't been the same since Cathcart left. I've personally been holding on to the past far too long and tonight was the last straw. I'm still from Greenwood, Greenwood high School graduate, will always cheer for them to win. Like I said on a previous post Greenwood is in my blood and that will never change. But what I'm not about to do is travel all around the state wasting my gas to watch that type of BS. I'm glad we have a radio station to where I can listen and cheer them on that way. Hate to say it like that. But with my work schedule, social life ect..... I simply have better things to do than to go to a game and watch Greenwood get their brains beat in week in and week out. Kind of sad for a school that has such R
Rich tradition in football in regards to winning. Is what it is though. The current level of our program is no better than the easley's of the world. Hell we might get beat by them too. Who knows. I hope not but wouldn't be surprised.
In regards to the transfer portal, there are really no big jobs in Greenwood like that so no family would want to move there. But more than that coach liner and the ad don't want to win that way anyway. So that's out. And honestly that's about the only way I see Greenwood winning consistently is through the transfer portal which is not an option for us.
So we'll probably have a competitive team that makes a run once every 7 to 10 years.
The issue is all of this puts Greenwood at a disadvantage. Up here in the Greenville area schools are getting better. Some of it just off of the talent pool to pull from alone from all of the growth. And this is an area folks used to tease about football. While Greenwood doesn't have the pool of the metro areas, there is plenty of talent in the 'lakelands' that are at other schools, roaming the halls; or just running the streets. This is not to take away from the kids on the team. They play hard and and are talented. But those championship teams had kids with sub 4.4 speed on them. Our fastest kid runs like a 4.4, and he is one of the shortest but most sure handed kids on the team. The only one almost guaranteed to catch the ball. But it helps to have more speed. All 3 teams that have beaten Greenwood have fast big play breaking speed. If they got past our line we weren't catching them. That used to not be the case.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:48 pm
by Blister
The schools in Greenville County overall aren’t getting any better. And part of that is due to the total lack of support from the district. But you do have two, or three, schools that recruit whatever talent is out there very effectively that stand out.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:12 am
by eagle93
Blister wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:48 pm
The schools in Greenville County overall aren’t getting any better. And part of that is due to the total lack of support from the district. But you do have two, or three, schools that recruit whatever talent is out there very effectively that stand out.
When you have the growth that has been going on here just the sheer numbers alone give you more to choose from. Hillcrest has become pretty consistent, Greenville High is actually loaded with D1 talent, Greer actually isn't that bad and has had success in the past. And I actually consider Powdersville High to be Greenville as it has a Greenville address. Southside Christian, Christ Church, and even St Joseph's now. Those schools are having success. Mann isn't having a bad season either.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:45 am
by Greerfan1
eagle93 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:12 am
Blister wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:48 pm
The schools in Greenville County overall aren’t getting any better. And part of that is due to the total lack of support from the district. But you do have two, or three, schools that recruit whatever talent is out there very effectively that stand out.
When you have the growth that has been going on here just the sheer numbers alone give you more to choose from. Hillcrest has become pretty consistent, Greenville High is actually loaded with D1 talent, Greer actually isn't that bad and has had success in the past. And I actually consider Powdersville High to be Greenville as it has a Greenville address. Southside Christian, Christ Church, and even St Joseph's now. Those schools are having success. Mann isn't having a bad season either.
Don't kid yourself, we're pretty bad. Especially the last few seasons.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:51 am
by bringthewood
GwoodEagle2k1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:04 pm
eagle93 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:19 pm
Just trying to see things objectively. Other schools are growing faster, in metro areas, have more to choose from or the ability to recruit. Perhaps lots of kids still roaming the halls or streets. Back in the days you were almost like a celebrity in school just for being on the team. Greenwood was a school where at least the region title was pretty much automatic. Now can't hardly even win that. Have great facilities, but just can't seem to put all of the pieces together. I guess I'm finally accepting that this might just be the new norm. Average at best. Well. I guess at least we gave some titles. Lol.
Yup..... Unfortunately things haven't been the same since Cathcart left. I've personally been holding on to the past far too long and tonight was the last straw. I'm still from Greenwood, Greenwood high School graduate, will always cheer for them to win. Like I said on a previous post Greenwood is in my blood and that will never change. But what I'm not about to do is travel all around the state wasting my gas to watch that type of BS. I'm glad we have a radio station to where I can listen and cheer them on that way. Hate to say it like that. But with my work schedule, social life ect..... I simply have better things to do than to go to a game and watch Greenwood get their brains beat in week in and week out. Kind of sad for a school that has such R
Rich tradition in football in regards to winning. Is what it is though. The current level of our program is no better than the easley's of the world. Hell we might get beat by them too. Who knows. I hope not but wouldn't be surprised.
In regards to the transfer portal, there are really no big jobs in Greenwood like that so no family would want to move there. But more than that coach liner and the ad don't want to win that way anyway. So that's out. And honestly that's about the only way I see Greenwood winning consistently is through the transfer portal which is not an option for us.
So we'll probably have a competitive team that makes a run once every 7 to 10 years.
I'm not calling you out particularly, but you've made a statement that I've seen several times over on this board about Gene Cathcart.
Do you know why he 'left'????? .........
Using him as a reference point for excellence isn't a good one....
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:10 am
by eagle93
bringthewood wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:51 am
GwoodEagle2k1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:04 pm
eagle93 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:19 pm
Just trying to see things objectively. Other schools are growing faster, in metro areas, have more to choose from or the ability to recruit. Perhaps lots of kids still roaming the halls or streets. Back in the days you were almost like a celebrity in school just for being on the team. Greenwood was a school where at least the region title was pretty much automatic. Now can't hardly even win that. Have great facilities, but just can't seem to put all of the pieces together. I guess I'm finally accepting that this might just be the new norm. Average at best. Well. I guess at least we gave some titles. Lol.
Yup..... Unfortunately things haven't been the same since Cathcart left. I've personally been holding on to the past far too long and tonight was the last straw. I'm still from Greenwood, Greenwood high School graduate, will always cheer for them to win. Like I said on a previous post Greenwood is in my blood and that will never change. But what I'm not about to do is travel all around the state wasting my gas to watch that type of BS. I'm glad we have a radio station to where I can listen and cheer them on that way. Hate to say it like that. But with my work schedule, social life ect..... I simply have better things to do than to go to a game and watch Greenwood get their brains beat in week in and week out. Kind of sad for a school that has such R
Rich tradition in football in regards to winning. Is what it is though. The current level of our program is no better than the easley's of the world. Hell we might get beat by them too. Who knows. I hope not but wouldn't be surprised.
In regards to the transfer portal, there are really no big jobs in Greenwood like that so no family would want to move there. But more than that coach liner and the ad don't want to win that way anyway. So that's out. And honestly that's about the only way I see Greenwood winning consistently is through the transfer portal which is not an option for us.
So we'll probably have a competitive team that makes a run once every 7 to 10 years.
I'm not calling you out particularly, but you've made a statement that I've seen several times over on this board about Gene Cathcart.
Do you know why he 'left'????? .........
Using him as a reference point for excellence isn't a good one....
I've heard. But that's another subject that's probably not good to talk about here. One thing for sure. He finds success in football with every school he's been too. He has flaws. We all do, but he sure can coach. Lol. That's not to take anything away from the current staff. I believe it's bigger than that now.
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:00 am
by bringthewood
eagle93 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:10 am
bringthewood wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:51 am
GwoodEagle2k1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:04 pm
eagle93 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:19 pm
Just trying to see things objectively. Other schools are growing faster, in metro areas, have more to choose from or the ability to recruit. Perhaps lots of kids still roaming the halls or streets. Back in the days you were almost like a celebrity in school just for being on the team. Greenwood was a school where at least the region title was pretty much automatic. Now can't hardly even win that. Have great facilities, but just can't seem to put all of the pieces together. I guess I'm finally accepting that this might just be the new norm. Average at best. Well. I guess at least we gave some titles. Lol.
Yup..... Unfortunately things haven't been the same since Cathcart left. I've personally been holding on to the past far too long and tonight was the last straw. I'm still from Greenwood, Greenwood high School graduate, will always cheer for them to win. Like I said on a previous post Greenwood is in my blood and that will never change. But what I'm not about to do is travel all around the state wasting my gas to watch that type of BS. I'm glad we have a radio station to where I can listen and cheer them on that way. Hate to say it like that. But with my work schedule, social life ect..... I simply have better things to do than to go to a game and watch Greenwood get their brains beat in week in and week out. Kind of sad for a school that has such R
Rich tradition in football in regards to winning. Is what it is though. The current level of our program is no better than the easley's of the world. Hell we might get beat by them too. Who knows. I hope not but wouldn't be surprised.
In regards to the transfer portal, there are really no big jobs in Greenwood like that so no family would want to move there. But more than that coach liner and the ad don't want to win that way anyway. So that's out. And honestly that's about the only way I see Greenwood winning consistently is through the transfer portal which is not an option for us.
So we'll probably have a competitive team that makes a run once every 7 to 10 years.
I'm not calling you out particularly, but you've made a statement that I've seen several times over on this board about Gene Cathcart.
Do you know why he 'left'????? .........
Using him as a reference point for excellence isn't a good one....
I've heard. But that's another subject that's probably not good to talk about here. One thing for sure. He finds success in football with every school he's been too. He has flaws. We all do, but he sure can coach. Lol. That's not to take anything away from the current staff. I believe it's bigger than that now.
So.... that argument is moot.... so a flawed former coach isn't the measurement stick for success?
Re: Are Greenwood's Best Days Over?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:07 am
by No Fly Zone
There’s a real chance Emerald goes winless this year
It’s not just GHS, it’s the whole city. There is a gang problem and it’s keeping some of the best athletes in the state on the street.
Both Liner and Dubose are great men, but they have proven so far that they cannot fix the culture.
Eventually the schools will be combined and then they’ll have a shot again. It’s the only way to be consistently competitive in sports.
Right now, they can’t fill in the gaps that the gang scene has created. And there’s no one in either program that is willing to do anything about it.