Recruiting

[96fanatic]

Someone explain to me how this recruiting works.
people are saying that Gray has players from all
over the state.can someone give me an example.
does Gray move the family and find the parents
a job near the school.do parents send their kids
there just to play football or because they think
they will get a better education.do most of the
kids live within reasonable driving distance.does
Gray pay the kids or the parents to play.i ask the
same questions for Southside Christian,Christ Church
and St. Joseph's in Greenville.if a kid is a good athlete
why would he want to go to these schools just
to play sports.Are they going there just for sports or
because they are getting the shot at a better education.

[Onion Rings]

Could be kids that will not "start" for their school. Could be kids that had a friend go there, or kids they played travel ball with. Could be kids that want to go to school from 7:30-11:00 (at one school I know), rather than 8 to 4. Could be kids that are zoned for schools that are failing or have an idiot coach

Have a kid in class that is zoned for a Gastonia school that has a lot of mis-behavior, violence, etc. So she switched schools and is a cheer leader. Is that recruiting? You reading the news on Charlotte-Meck schools? You sending your kids there?

people move for all kinds of reasons. Is that ok, or should they be locked into one town and one school? If you could better your situation by moving would you?

I don't think the school finds the parents jobs or bribes them to come (except Rush Probst)

[Fortfor5]

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[Rebel-Fan-74]

Someone explain to me how this recruiting works.
people are saying that Gray has players from all
over the state.can someone give me an example.
does Gray move the family and find the parents
a job near the school.do parents send their kids
there just to play football or because they think
they will get a better education.do most of the
kids live within reasonable driving distance.does
Gray pay the kids or the parents to play.i ask the
same questions for Southside Christian,Christ Church
and St. Joseph's in Greenville.if a kid is a good athlete
why would he want to go to these schools just
to play sports.Are they going there just for sports or
because they are getting the shot at a better education.

Earlier this year, we had a very intense discussion on this subject, Click here for the previous post:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7566

It is not going away and something is going to have to happen either because of this lawsuit or because of the uproar of coaches, parents and fans. After over 100 replies, there were several ideas, but just like discussions on realignment, no idea was without it's shortcomings.

[96fanatic]

Someone explain to me how this recruiting works.
people are saying that Gray has players from all
over the state.can someone give me an example.
does Gray move the family and find the parents
a job near the school.do parents send their kids
there just to play football or because they think
they will get a better education.do most of the
kids live within reasonable driving distance.does
Gray pay the kids or the parents to play.i ask the
same questions for Southside Christian,Christ Church
and St. Joseph's in Greenville.if a kid is a good athlete
why would he want to go to these schools just
to play sports.Are they going there just for sports or
because they are getting the shot at a better education.

Earlier this year, we had a very intense discussion on this subject, Click here for the previous post:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7566

It is not going away and something is going to have to happen either because of this lawsuit or because of the uproar of coaches, parents and fans. After over 100 replies, there were several ideas, but just like discussions on realignment, no idea was without it's shortcomings.

I still don't see an example of a kid from the upper state or lower state
that Gray recruited to play football.I don't know but i would guess that
most all their players are from that area and the ones that are not is because
their family moved to that area for reasons other than their kid attending Gray.

[Penguin]

Imagine yourself as a Basketball Head Coach. Now imagine yourself as a Head Basketball Coach that can actively seek all of the best players from not only your area, but any area of the state. It sure wouldn't be hard to cherry pick some of the best players from schools that have little, to no, chance of competing for a championship. Think about how eager a 16 to 18 year old kid would be, to get a chance to play on a team of superstars.

That is the advantage of recruiting. Essentially skirting all of the SCHSL rules regarding eligibility.

Now, imagine yourself as the Head Football Coach of a team that won multiple state championships and that to this day, is a perennial powerhouse. Why would you decide to just quit that job for another? Ask Strait Herron from South Pointe. Now at Legion's Collegiate.

That is recruiting. And that is what it is doing to High School Sports in South Carolina right in front of our very eyes.

[Panther51]

Someone explain to me how this recruiting works.
people are saying that Gray has players from all
over the state.can someone give me an example.
does Gray move the family and find the parents
a job near the school.do parents send their kids
there just to play football or because they think
they will get a better education.do most of the
kids live within reasonable driving distance.does
Gray pay the kids or the parents to play.i ask the
same questions for Southside Christian,Christ Church
and St. Joseph's in Greenville.if a kid is a good athlete
why would he want to go to these schools just
to play sports.Are they going there just for sports or
because they are getting the shot at a better education.

Earlier this year, we had a very intense discussion on this subject, Click here for the previous post:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7566

It is not going away and something is going to have to happen either because of this lawsuit or because of the uproar of coaches, parents and fans. After over 100 replies, there were several ideas, but just like discussions on realignment, no idea was without it's shortcomings.

I still don't see an example of a kid from the upper state or lower state
that Gray recruited to play football.I don't know but i would guess that
most all their players are from that area and the ones that are not is because
their family moved to that area for reasons other than their kid attending Gray.

As far as I know, any player that has transferred to Gray did so by the rules…..

You hear KZ come up a lot but he has started for 4 years at Gray.
I know their current QB played previously at BL and the back up QB has played at 2 other schools (started varsity as an 8th grader). Played a season at Chapman due to his original school canceling season for COVID.

Personally, as long as they are following established rules, I see no problem with it. The same discussion came up several years back with Bishop England when they won back 2 back. I said the same thing then…..buckle up your chinstrap put in the work to get better if you want to compete.

[96fanatic]

Without KZ Adams 39 carries and over 300
yards rushing plus he made a bunch of tackles
on defense Abbeville wins the game.
Abbeville will be loaded again next year.
I doubt Gray has another athlete like
Adams in their program.Just my opinion.

[Creekwater Werts]

Unfortunately they will find another.

Especially behind the offensive line they have been able to assemble.

I know their offensive line and S/C coach, Cory Helms, and he literally has a training camp where he coaches lineman from all over Columbia and surrounding areas and then persuades the good ones to come play for Gray.

That on top of the recruiting advantage they already have is just insurmountable for small town kids.

They think their billy bada$$es, but in reality, Adam Holmes wasn't able to do anything without poaching other players.

And you can make whatever argument you want, but go look up the scores and records of Gray collegiate before they caught steam with recruiting. They were terrible. Go look at his record with Orangeburg prep. Terrible.

He aint Shi+, and even when they win tonight that won't change nothing.

If he had to coach at a traditional school, he wouldn't be shi+, and it burns me to the core that he thinks he's so good at what he does.

He's not.

Would love to have him run his mouth at me like he has with reporters and opposing teams this year. They might be professional enough to turn the other cheek but I promise you, Creekwater is not. Would not end well for him and his ego.

[AngryMax]

Unfortunately they will find another.

Especially behind the offensive line they have been able to assemble.

I know their offensive line and S/C coach, Cory Helms, and he literally has a training camp where he coaches lineman from all over Columbia and surrounding areas and then persuades the good ones to come play for Gray.

That on top of the recruiting advantage they already have is just insurmountable for small town kids.

They think their billy bada$$es, but in reality, Adam Holmes wasn't able to do anything without poaching other players.

And you can make whatever argument you want, but go look up the scores and records of Gray collegiate before they caught steam with recruiting. They were terrible. Go look at his record with Orangeburg prep. Terrible.

He aint Shi+, and even when they win tonight that won't change nothing.

If he had to coach at a traditional school, he wouldn't be shi+, and it burns me to the core that he thinks he's so good at what he does.

He's not.

Would love to have him run his mouth at me like he has with reporters and opposing teams this year. They might be professional enough to turn the other cheek but I promise you, Creekwater is not. Would not end well for him and his ego.

I really like this energy. Need more of it here.

The fact there is a company(Pinnacle) that runs these charter schools tells me everything I need to know. Sure they are probably non-profit, or not-for-profit but that doesn’t mean nobody is lining their pockets off this setup.

Another thing about Holmes and the like, the worst part of them flapping their gums is the amount of incredulity they use. They clutch their pearls idea that they are recruiting, or at the very least have advantages that traditional public schools don’t. And then to paint it like the public school administrators are evil for denying their kids a place to practice and play their games. Nobody asked them to opt out of the traditional public school experience.

I know teams in their regions and playoffs are contractually obligated to play them, but I don’t get why any public school schedules them non-conference. Only helps legitimize them.

Legion is joining the NC private school league, partially because nobody in York County will play them in anything. Why would anyone allow them to see your players and potentially scout them and recruit them.

One last thing about recruiting, whether it’s done by charter, private or public schools, it’s often done by the parents and usually along the lines of, “With what we have coming back, if we get you in the mix and your buddy who plays DL we can make run at the state championship.”