Rebels Rebound

[1st&Goal]

Lets be real honest hear. The Rebel team seems to have a disipline problem. The practices dont even seem to be as rough as they used to be. I also feel that the oline is getting bashed by fans incorrectly due to the QB holding the ball to long. He can not run around in the back field dancing and then take a sack. If you dont have an open receiver...throw the ball away. At some point the QB needs to start trusting his play makers to go up and get the ball. Personal foul penalties have killed so many drives this year.....Im at a loss for words about it. JMO.

As for the vikings. They are riding the benefits of a good running back and a QB that eats dinner wih the OC(Byrnes had that benefit for years). They also have a pretty good D. I dont feel they are as good as Byrnes D. But..They are good. Bottom line...Byrnes lost that game due to poor Off. execution. Again....JMO.

I still feel as though Byrnes has a good shot down the stretch. I just hope lanes woes of losses in the play offs dont follow him this season.

You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? The o-line is getting bashed because of the qb? Byrnes' O-line was way over matched. If the field was dry, it could have been 20 sacks. Byrnes posters have said that there were no open receivers all night but you want the QB to trust his receivers to make a play? Personal foals have killed so many drives? If the Rebels are truly that undisciplined, there is no way that they can be the better team!!!! JMO

I never said that the viking were not the better team as a combined unit. I said I dont feel they have a better D than Byrnes. Before you go off hack cocked and blow a gasket...Just remember that the Byrnes D held your beloved team to 17 points. And if I say I am not happy with Byrnes O...Then that is my opinion. If you want to make attacks towards my posts..Then I suggest we take it to PFT where all the stupid antics have taken over. This site only looks for good football debates. NOT what you seem to have posted here. Thank you and have a good day.

This is a good football debate. I am not attacking you. I am just pointing out the holes in your opinion. That is what a debate is. Byrnes' D is not better than Spartanburg's. If it was, it would not have given up 127 rushing yards to Feaster. Did the Viking D give up 100 yards on that muddy field? If Byrnes' D was better, they would have accumulated 12 sacks.

From what I understand the Mods here would have said something to me if they felt that I said something offensive. They haven't so calm down, don't blow a gasket, and lets have a debate.

Byrnes O did not play well( and have struggled at time all season). I was also not really impressed with play calling for Byrnes. Byrnes had some ops to keep the drives alive but shot themselves in the foot with sloppy play or penalties. I feel that Byrnes O play made SHS D look more impressive than what they really are. Byrnes passing attack has been somewhat lacking all year. And all the dry field wet field stuff....Last I seen of the game they were both playing on a wet field. It equals itself out for both sides. So....That arguement really carries no weight IMO.

You say that Byrnes' O have struggled at times all season. That's because that is who they are this year. That is why they are undisciplined as it has been said. They play-calling is what it is. Its the lack of execution that is causing issues. Both teams had ops to keep drives going. Did you hear the referee state that he blew the whistle early as SHS was going across to score on the 4th & goal? Well he did admit it. That's the only reason the score wasn't 24-7. Byrnes' O didn't make SHS D look more impressive. SHS D showed what kind of O Byrnes really has, inferior. Byrnes passing attack has been lacking all year because that is who they are. Byrnes does not have what they have had in recent years. I am not arguing wet/dry field because both teams were on the same field. If it slowed down one team, it slowed down the other equally. Byrnes was out-gunned in all phases of the game. That is why they lost.

What about the call when Byrnes clearly crossed the goal line and refs called it a fumble. Once the ball breaks into the endzone it is a TD. Making the score 17-14 with plenty of time left for a possible onside kick. So..Your argument of the ref making a bad call could be argued for Byrnes as well. Your thinking of phases of the game are blinded by your passion for the vikings. Go back and look at film. Byrnes D exposed SHS O as not to be as powerful as some would think. And I will agree that SHS has a good enough D to expose some of the issues Byrnes O has. Though I know this debate is pointleess, as I have yet to see (well maybe one) any Viking poster ever want to give Byrnes any credit.

[COUNTY 42]

As for the vikings. They are riding the benefits of a good running back and a QB that eats dinner wih the OC(Byrnes had that benefit for years). They also have a pretty good D. I dont feel they are as good as Byrnes D. But..They are good. Bottom line...Byrnes lost that game due to poor Off. execution. Again....JMO.

I still feel as though Byrnes has a good shot down the stretch. I just hope lanes woes of losses in the play offs dont follow him this season.[/quote]
You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? The o-line is getting bashed because of the qb? Byrnes' O-line was way over matched. If the field was dry, it could have been 20 sacks. Byrnes posters have said that there were no open receivers all night but you want the QB to trust his receivers to make a play? Personal foals have killed so many drives? If the Rebels are truly that undisciplined, there is no way that they can be the better team!!!! JMO[/quote]


I never said that the viking were not the better team as a combined unit. I said I dont feel they have a better D than Byrnes. Before you go off hack cocked and blow a gasket...Just remember that the Byrnes D held your beloved team to 17 points. And if I say I am not happy with Byrnes O...Then that is my opinion. If you want to make attacks towards my posts..Then I suggest we take it to PFT where all the stupid antics have taken over. This site only looks for good football debates. NOT what you seem to have posted here. Thank you and have a good day.[/quote]

This is a good football debate. I am not attacking you. I am just pointing out the holes in your opinion. That is what a debate is. Byrnes' D is not better than Spartanburg's. If it was, it would not have given up 127 rushing yards to Feaster. Did the Viking D give up 100 yards on that muddy field? If Byrnes' D was better, they would have accumulated 12 sacks.

From what I understand the Mods here would have said something to me if they felt that I said something offensive. They haven't so calm down, don't blow a gasket, and lets have a debate.[/quote]

Byrnes O did not play well( and have struggled at time all season). I was also not really impressed with play calling for Byrnes. Byrnes had some ops to keep the drives alive but shot themselves in the foot with sloppy play or penalties. I feel that Byrnes O play made SHS D look more impressive than what they really are. Byrnes passing attack has been somewhat lacking all year. And all the dry field wet field stuff....Last I seen of the game they were both playing on a wet field. It equals itself out for both sides. So....That arguement really carries no weight IMO.[/quote]

You say that Byrnes' O have struggled at times all season. That's because that is who they are this year. That is why they are undisciplined as it has been said. They play-calling is what it is. Its the lack of execution that is causing issues. Both teams had ops to keep drives going. Did you hear the referee state that he blew the whistle early as SHS was going across to score on the 4th & goal? Well he did admit it. That's the only reason the score wasn't 24-7. Byrnes' O didn't make SHS D look more impressive. SHS D showed what kind of O Byrnes really has, inferior. Byrnes passing attack has been lacking all year because that is who they are. Byrnes does not have what they have had in recent years. I am not arguing wet/dry field because both teams were on the same field. If it slowed down one team, it slowed down the other equally. Byrnes was out-gunned in all phases of the game. That is why they lost.[/quote]


What about the call when Byrnes clearly crossed the goal line and refs called it a fumble. Once the ball breaks into the endzone it is a TD. Making the score 17-14 with plenty of time left for a possible onside kick. So..Your argument of the ref making a bad call could be argued for Byrnes as well. Your thinking of phases of the game are blinded by your passion for the vikings. Go back and look at film. Byrnes D exposed SHS O as not to be as powerful as some would think. And I will agree that SHS has a good enough D to expose some of the issues Byrnes O has. Though I know this debate is pointleess, as I have yet to see (well maybe one) any Viking poster ever want to give Byrnes any credit.[/quote]

That goal line fumble of which you speak 1) doesn't happen as it was the result of the 4th & goal stop that the referee stopped and 2) I was on that end of the field and saw very plainly that he lost the ball BEFORE he crossed the goal line. There was no dispute on that call. Either way, the score was 17-7 at best for Byrnes.

I am not taking away from Byrnes as I have given them plenty of credit. They have a good squad. They just not nearly as good as SHS this year. Byrnes will probably win the Big 16 title. Just curious, who is the (well maybe one) Vikings poster that gives the Rebs any credit? I think you are wrong about that count.

[Rebel-Fan-74]

"You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? "

For the record, look back three weeks ago and you will see a post where I said that very thing after the Gaffney game. We are NOT a disciplined team on and even off the field. I have personally seen things that make me very disappointed in some players and coaches on and off the field. Since 2000, I've missed two playoff games... TWO. One was due to a church conflict which took every bit of a tenth of a second to decide and one was last year. I've missed more games this season already, than in the previous 14 years. I'm very discouraged.

Spartanburg clearly played a better game and is an extremely talented team. Now, the fact that Chris Miller (former Byrnes Coach) and Coach Scott (former Byrnes Coach) and Austin Scott (former Byrnes QB) are at Spartanburg have nothing to do with the Vikings success... oh wait, I'm sure it does have something to do with it. If that had happened at Byrnes the board would be nothing but "BYRNES RECRUITING CLASS" comments. I'm extremely happy for Chris and the Scotts. I wish them nothing but success...but Viking fans are basking in glory and enjoying their success and overlooking the fact much of that success came by the way of Duncan. So of course there are going to be some feelings of resentment from some Rebel fans as it was a tremendous loss to our school and our team and our fans, when those folks moved to East Spartanburg (at least it wasn't to Gaffney }

Again, and I can't emphasize this enough, personally, I have no resentment myself for the Scotts or Coach Miller for leaving... a man has to do what he thinks is best for him and his family and I congratulate them for their success. But think it through and you can understand that circumstances being what they are... there is going to be some resentment on the part of some of the Rebel Faithful. They supported those guys for years and now they are "THE ENEMY"!

[ByrnesRebels05]

As for the vikings. They are riding the benefits of a good running back and a QB that eats dinner wih the OC(Byrnes had that benefit for years). They also have a pretty good D. I dont feel they are as good as Byrnes D. But..They are good. Bottom line...Byrnes lost that game due to poor Off. execution. Again....JMO.

I still feel as though Byrnes has a good shot down the stretch. I just hope lanes woes of losses in the play offs dont follow him this season.

You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? The o-line is getting bashed because of the qb? Byrnes' O-line was way over matched. If the field was dry, it could have been 20 sacks. Byrnes posters have said that there were no open receivers all night but you want the QB to trust his receivers to make a play? Personal foals have killed so many drives? If the Rebels are truly that undisciplined, there is no way that they can be the better team!!!! JMO[/quote]


I never said that the viking were not the better team as a combined unit. I said I dont feel they have a better D than Byrnes. Before you go off hack cocked and blow a gasket...Just remember that the Byrnes D held your beloved team to 17 points. And if I say I am not happy with Byrnes O...Then that is my opinion. If you want to make attacks towards my posts..Then I suggest we take it to PFT where all the stupid antics have taken over. This site only looks for good football debates. NOT what you seem to have posted here. Thank you and have a good day.[/quote]

This is a good football debate. I am not attacking you. I am just pointing out the holes in your opinion. That is what a debate is. Byrnes' D is not better than Spartanburg's. If it was, it would not have given up 127 rushing yards to Feaster. Did the Viking D give up 100 yards on that muddy field? If Byrnes' D was better, they would have accumulated 12 sacks.

From what I understand the Mods here would have said something to me if they felt that I said something offensive. They haven't so calm down, don't blow a gasket, and lets have a debate.[/quote]

Byrnes O did not play well( and have struggled at time all season). I was also not really impressed with play calling for Byrnes. Byrnes had some ops to keep the drives alive but shot themselves in the foot with sloppy play or penalties. I feel that Byrnes O play made SHS D look more impressive than what they really are. Byrnes passing attack has been somewhat lacking all year. And all the dry field wet field stuff....Last I seen of the game they were both playing on a wet field. It equals itself out for both sides. So....That arguement really carries no weight IMO.[/quote]

You say that Byrnes' O have struggled at times all season. That's because that is who they are this year. That is why they are undisciplined as it has been said. They play-calling is what it is. Its the lack of execution that is causing issues. Both teams had ops to keep drives going. Did you hear the referee state that he blew the whistle early as SHS was going across to score on the 4th & goal? Well he did admit it. That's the only reason the score wasn't 24-7. Byrnes' O didn't make SHS D look more impressive. SHS D showed what kind of O Byrnes really has, inferior. Byrnes passing attack has been lacking all year because that is who they are. Byrnes does not have what they have had in recent years. I am not arguing wet/dry field because both teams were on the same field. If it slowed down one team, it slowed down the other equally. Byrnes was out-gunned in all phases of the game. That is why they lost.[/quote]


What about the call when Byrnes clearly crossed the goal line and refs called it a fumble. Once the ball breaks into the endzone it is a TD. Making the score 17-14 with plenty of time left for a possible onside kick. So..Your argument of the ref making a bad call could be argued for Byrnes as well. Your thinking of phases of the game are blinded by your passion for the vikings. Go back and look at film. Byrnes D exposed SHS O as not to be as powerful as some would think. And I will agree that SHS has a good enough D to expose some of the issues Byrnes O has. Though I know this debate is pointleess, as I have yet to see (well maybe one) any Viking poster ever want to give Byrnes any credit.[/quote]

That goal line fumble of which you speak 1) doesn't happen as it was the result of the 4th & goal stop that the referee stopped and 2) I was on that end of the field and saw very plainly that he lost the ball BEFORE he crossed the goal line. There was no dispute on that call. Either way, the score was 17-7 at best for Byrnes.

I am not taking away from Byrnes as I have given them plenty of credit. They have a good squad. They just not nearly as good as SHS this year. Byrnes will probably win the Big 16 title. Just curious, who is the (well maybe one) Vikings poster that gives the Rebs any credit? I think you are wrong about that count.[/quote]


So I guess you were on the field, on the Byrnes sidelines since that's where the play happen? Seen the game film many times, the ball cross the line, before fumble. Plus the ref tossed his bag in the endzone, signaling the fumble occurred in the endzone which is impossible.

[ByrnesRebels05]

"You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? "

For the record, look back three weeks ago and you will see a post where I said that very thing after the Gaffney game. We are NOT a disciplined team on and even off the field. I have personally seen things that make me very disappointed in some players and coaches on and off the field. Since 2000, I've missed two playoff games... TWO. One was due to a church conflict which took every bit of a tenth of a second to decide and one was last year. I've missed more games this season already, than in the previous 14 years. I'm very discouraged.

Spartanburg clearly played a better game and is an extremely talented team. Now, the fact that Chris Miller (former Byrnes Coach) and Coach Scott (former Byrnes Coach) and Austin Scott (former Byrnes QB) are at Spartanburg have nothing to do with the Vikings success... oh wait, I'm sure it does have something to do with it. If that had happened at Byrnes the board would be nothing but "BYRNES RECRUITING CLASS" comments. I'm extremely happy for Chris and the Scotts. I wish them nothing but success...but Viking fans are basking in glory and enjoying their success and overlooking the fact much of that success came by the way of Duncan. So of course there are going to be some feelings of resentment from some Rebel fans as it was a tremendous loss to our school and our team and our fans, when those folks moved to East Spartanburg (at least it wasn't to Gaffney }

Again, and I can't emphasize this enough, personally, I have no resentment myself for the Scotts or Coach Miller for leaving... a man has to do what he thinks is best for him and his family and I congratulate them for their success. But think it through and you can understand that circumstances being what they are... there is going to be some resentment on the part of some of the Rebel Faithful. They supported those guys for years and now they are "THE ENEMY"!

Great point. Miller is a great coach, but is he a great builder? He has never built a program and don't be so sure it happens at SHS. Next year will tell the tell as to what SHS has become.

Speaking of Byrnes' discipline, I've heard a lot of grumbling going on. It's not losing certain games, it's the way we lose them. With this talent, we shouldn't be sliding by BS and struggling with Gaffney or Hanna. If a 5 point W is the best this team can do over an average opponent then fine, I can live with that, but it isn't, not with this talent. I don't care how many points we put up, but if you can beat a team by 50 then do it, if you can only beat them by 10, then great. We need to get back to beating teams the way we should be beating team, not just sliding by.

[COUNTY 42]

"You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? "

For the record, look back three weeks ago and you will see a post where I said that very thing after the Gaffney game. We are NOT a disciplined team on and even off the field. I have personally seen things that make me very disappointed in some players and coaches on and off the field. Since 2000, I've missed two playoff games... TWO. One was due to a church conflict which took every bit of a tenth of a second to decide and one was last year. I've missed more games this season already, than in the previous 14 years. I'm very discouraged.

Spartanburg clearly played a better game and is an extremely talented team. Now, the fact that Chris Miller (former Byrnes Coach) and Coach Scott (former Byrnes Coach) and Austin Scott (former Byrnes QB) are at Spartanburg have nothing to do with the Vikings success... oh wait, I'm sure it does have something to do with it. If that had happened at Byrnes the board would be nothing but "BYRNES RECRUITING CLASS" comments. I'm extremely happy for Chris and the Scotts. I wish them nothing but success...but Viking fans are basking in glory and enjoying their success and overlooking the fact much of that success came by the way of Duncan. So of course there are going to be some feelings of resentment from some Rebel fans as it was a tremendous loss to our school and our team and our fans, when those folks moved to East Spartanburg (at least it wasn't to Gaffney }

Again, and I can't emphasize this enough, personally, I have no resentment myself for the Scotts or Coach Miller for leaving... a man has to do what he thinks is best for him and his family and I congratulate them for their success. But think it through and you can understand that circumstances being what they are... there is going to be some resentment on the part of some of the Rebel Faithful. They supported those guys for years and now they are "THE ENEMY"!

74, I understand the Byrnes faithful being a little bit bitter because the Scotts and Miller are having a better year at SHS than Byrnes. And you probably do wish them well, as long as they are not besting the Rebels. But lets clear up a few things. 1. Chris Miller does not belong to Byrnes. He was at Spartanburg and Broome before coming to Byrnes. 2. Byrnes lost the Scotts because D5 let Bobby Bentley run amuck. Bobby left Byrnes for PC and Miller was promoted, but then Byrnes brought Bentley back to be AD and OC which nullified Miller as head coach. Austin Scott should have been Byrnes' starting QB for the last 3 years but there was another Bentley in the way. And he wasn't as good as Scott but was going to be the starter anyway. That's why the Scotts left. Then Bentley left Byrnes hanging by going to Auburn. 3. A lot of the talent that Byrnes has now is a benefit of the BMW effect (parents moving from downtown to the suburbs). BMW hired thousands of new employees from January 1999 thru December 2001. This was for the E-53 ramp-up (BMW language, I worked there so I know what I am speaking about). It is not a coincidence that Byrnes' success started around 2002, as did Dorman and Boiling Springs. Although Dorman and BS started a little earlier and for different reasons.
I noticed that over the years, Byrnes fans became bad winners. They became quick to brag on the last 14 meetings vs SHS where their record was 14-0 but forget that the 20 prior to those the record was 17-3 SHS which included some streaks too. So do you not think the Vikings fans deserve to bask in the glory? Let them bask, they deserve it!! The Byrnes contingent should applaud them this year and try again next time instead of try to take their joy. And as far as success coming by way of Duncan....a lot of Duncan success comes by way of Spartanburg. I am not saying that all of it does, but a SIGNIFICANT amount does.

Keep cheering for the Scotts and Miller, the are not the enemy. They just took advantage of a better opportunity.

[1st&Goal]

"You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? "

For the record, look back three weeks ago and you will see a post where I said that very thing after the Gaffney game. We are NOT a disciplined team on and even off the field. I have personally seen things that make me very disappointed in some players and coaches on and off the field. Since 2000, I've missed two playoff games... TWO. One was due to a church conflict which took every bit of a tenth of a second to decide and one was last year. I've missed more games this season already, than in the previous 14 years. I'm very discouraged.

Spartanburg clearly played a better game and is an extremely talented team. Now, the fact that Chris Miller (former Byrnes Coach) and Coach Scott (former Byrnes Coach) and Austin Scott (former Byrnes QB) are at Spartanburg have nothing to do with the Vikings success... oh wait, I'm sure it does have something to do with it. If that had happened at Byrnes the board would be nothing but "BYRNES RECRUITING CLASS" comments. I'm extremely happy for Chris and the Scotts. I wish them nothing but success...but Viking fans are basking in glory and enjoying their success and overlooking the fact much of that success came by the way of Duncan. So of course there are going to be some feelings of resentment from some Rebel fans as it was a tremendous loss to our school and our team and our fans, when those folks moved to East Spartanburg (at least it wasn't to Gaffney }

Again, and I can't emphasize this enough, personally, I have no resentment myself for the Scotts or Coach Miller for leaving... a man has to do what he thinks is best for him and his family and I congratulate them for their success. But think it through and you can understand that circumstances being what they are... there is going to be some resentment on the part of some of the Rebel Faithful. They supported those guys for years and now they are "THE ENEMY"!

74, I understand the Byrnes faithful being a little bit bitter because the Scotts and Miller are having a better year at SHS than Byrnes. And you probably do wish them well, as long as they are not besting the Rebels. But lets clear up a few things. 1. Chris Miller does not belong to Byrnes. He was at Spartanburg and Broome before coming to Byrnes. 2. Byrnes lost the Scotts because D5 let Bobby Bentley run amuck. Bobby left Byrnes for PC and Miller was promoted, but then Byrnes brought Bentley back to be AD and OC which nullified Miller as head coach. Austin Scott should have been Byrnes' starting QB for the last 3 years but there was another Bentley in the way. And he wasn't as good as Scott but was going to be the starter anyway. That's why the Scotts left. Then Bentley left Byrnes hanging by going to Auburn. 3. A lot of the talent that Byrnes has now is a benefit of the BMW effect (parents moving from downtown to the suburbs). BMW hired thousands of new employees from January 1999 thru December 2001. This was for the E-53 ramp-up (BMW language, I worked there so I know what I am speaking about). It is not a coincidence that Byrnes' success started around 2002, as did Dorman and Boiling Springs. Although Dorman and BS started a little earlier and for different reasons.
I noticed that over the years, Byrnes fans became bad winners. They became quick to brag on the last 14 meetings vs SHS where their record was 14-0 but forget that the 20 prior to those the record was 17-3 SHS which included some streaks too. So do you not think the Vikings fans deserve to bask in the glory? Let them bask, they deserve it!! The Byrnes contingent should applaud them this year and try again next time instead of try to take their joy. And as far as success coming by way of Duncan....a lot of Duncan success comes by way of Spartanburg. I am not saying that all of it does, but a SIGNIFICANT amount does.

Keep cheering for the Scotts and Miller, the are not the enemy. They just took advantage of a better opportunity.

Please show us any plays that Miller brought from Davis or his tenure at Broome. He brought a carbon copy of Byrnes program. And to say Scott is better or Bentley is better is just an assumption. You have nothing for proof.

[gamecocksfootball62]

Coach Lane stood the O Line up at film Sunday. He played the sacks to the ENITRE team. Hmm was that sack on you 77, 71, 58, 62, 51 with a resounding no out of 12 SACKS 5 were given up by the O Line really 4 the kid lost his footing in the mud. Lane said he was tired of everyone bashing the Offensive Line and if he had to make it public he would. You can sit back in a pocket for that long and not expect something. Are RB'S ran the ball right up the middle all night long gashing the Vikings Mighty Defense. Receivers have got to get open and other have to field their blocks. The play calling could have been a ton better. Minus the sack yardage our running game would have had a ton of positive yardage. I've watched the film atleast 9 times plus the Touchdown ruled as a fumble maybe over a 100 times he was IN. This wasn't Byrnes Football by no means,, discipline needs to be seen to, but this season isn't over. I hope and pray other teams do think this is the way the Rebels come out the rest of the remaining games because the joke will be on them. BTW it's about time this board got lit up. Proud to be over here.

[COUNTY 42]

"You can not be that delusional!!!! Most every other Byrnes supporter acknowledged that the Vikings are better. Now Byrnes has a discipline problem? "

For the record, look back three weeks ago and you will see a post where I said that very thing after the Gaffney game. We are NOT a disciplined team on and even off the field. I have personally seen things that make me very disappointed in some players and coaches on and off the field. Since 2000, I've missed two playoff games... TWO. One was due to a church conflict which took every bit of a tenth of a second to decide and one was last year. I've missed more games this season already, than in the previous 14 years. I'm very discouraged.

Spartanburg clearly played a better game and is an extremely talented team. Now, the fact that Chris Miller (former Byrnes Coach) and Coach Scott (former Byrnes Coach) and Austin Scott (former Byrnes QB) are at Spartanburg have nothing to do with the Vikings success... oh wait, I'm sure it does have something to do with it. If that had happened at Byrnes the board would be nothing but "BYRNES RECRUITING CLASS" comments. I'm extremely happy for Chris and the Scotts. I wish them nothing but success...but Viking fans are basking in glory and enjoying their success and overlooking the fact much of that success came by the way of Duncan. So of course there are going to be some feelings of resentment from some Rebel fans as it was a tremendous loss to our school and our team and our fans, when those folks moved to East Spartanburg (at least it wasn't to Gaffney }

Again, and I can't emphasize this enough, personally, I have no resentment myself for the Scotts or Coach Miller for leaving... a man has to do what he thinks is best for him and his family and I congratulate them for their success. But think it through and you can understand that circumstances being what they are... there is going to be some resentment on the part of some of the Rebel Faithful. They supported those guys for years and now they are "THE ENEMY"!

74, I understand the Byrnes faithful being a little bit bitter because the Scotts and Miller are having a better year at SHS than Byrnes. And you probably do wish them well, as long as they are not besting the Rebels. But lets clear up a few things. 1. Chris Miller does not belong to Byrnes. He was at Spartanburg and Broome before coming to Byrnes. 2. Byrnes lost the Scotts because D5 let Bobby Bentley run amuck. Bobby left Byrnes for PC and Miller was promoted, but then Byrnes brought Bentley back to be AD and OC which nullified Miller as head coach. Austin Scott should have been Byrnes' starting QB for the last 3 years but there was another Bentley in the way. And he wasn't as good as Scott but was going to be the starter anyway. That's why the Scotts left. Then Bentley left Byrnes hanging by going to Auburn. 3. A lot of the talent that Byrnes has now is a benefit of the BMW effect (parents moving from downtown to the suburbs). BMW hired thousands of new employees from January 1999 thru December 2001. This was for the E-53 ramp-up (BMW language, I worked there so I know what I am speaking about). It is not a coincidence that Byrnes' success started around 2002, as did Dorman and Boiling Springs. Although Dorman and BS started a little earlier and for different reasons.
I noticed that over the years, Byrnes fans became bad winners. They became quick to brag on the last 14 meetings vs SHS where their record was 14-0 but forget that the 20 prior to those the record was 17-3 SHS which included some streaks too. So do you not think the Vikings fans deserve to bask in the glory? Let them bask, they deserve it!! The Byrnes contingent should applaud them this year and try again next time instead of try to take their joy. And as far as success coming by way of Duncan....a lot of Duncan success comes by way of Spartanburg. I am not saying that all of it does, but a SIGNIFICANT amount does.

Keep cheering for the Scotts and Miller, the are not the enemy. They just took advantage of a better opportunity.

Please show us any plays that Miller brought from Davis or his tenure at Broome. He brought a carbon copy of Byrnes program. And to say Scott is better or Bentley is better is just an assumption. You have nothing for proof.

So you are saying that there is proof that Bentley designed the offense that Byrnes, SHS, Woodruff, Hillcrest, Dorman, Boiling Springs, Mauldin, Greenville, Northwestern, etc. runs? If so, lets see it. I am sure that Bentley is playing or played somewhere. Put his numbers up against Scott's. It really does not matter who designed an offense. What matters is what play is called in whatever situation it is put in by the defense, how well it is executed and they skill set of those executing it.

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On a dry field, Vikings win by 35.