"Your" top 3 storied programs in SC regardless of class and why. **Can't choose your own team**

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bringthewood wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:37 pm
1- Summerville has to be at the top. You have Big John and the record. Most around the country will associate SC HS football and the Green Wave and Big John as the top of the class. You can argue that others have taken their place, but if you do you don't understand what history and the term 'storied' means.

2- Lake View is right there with them in terms of longevity and relevance. They are one of the winningest programs ever and have a history that goes back as far as any school can honestly claim. It's a shame they have been shuttled into the dust bin.

3- This is the hardest if you limit it to 3, because there are so many that have either the titles, the longevity, or relevance. If you simply look at time on the map relative to titles it has to South Point. If you look at overall titles, then you have Byrnes. If you look at title appearances then you have Gaffney. You've got the relevant throughout the evolution of high school football with Abbeville wining across multiple classifications. Columbia was always in the hunt back before the modern era and into the early modern era. If you throw in the ' but nobody wanted to play them' you've got too many to count... Greenwood, Barnwell, Spartanburg, Macedonia, Hillcrest (Dalzell), Calhoun Falls, Whimire and too many more to mention; especially small mill towns back in the days...

There are many school that can claim or have someone argue based on their limited experience or exposure, but after those 1st 2 the rest are all second tier claimants to the thrown.
Gaffney second tier.. :lol: by his own logic no less... :?

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Re: "Your" top 3 storied programs in SC regardless of class and why. **Can't choose your own team**

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mikey wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:01 pm
bringthewood wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:37 pm
1- Summerville has to be at the top. You have Big John and the record. Most around the country will associate SC HS football and the Green Wave and Big John as the top of the class. You can argue that others have taken their place, but if you do you don't understand what history and the term 'storied' means.

2- Lake View is right there with them in terms of longevity and relevance. They are one of the winningest programs ever and have a history that goes back as far as any school can honestly claim. It's a shame they have been shuttled into the dust bin.

3- This is the hardest if you limit it to 3, because there are so many that have either the titles, the longevity, or relevance. If you simply look at time on the map relative to titles it has to South Point. If you look at overall titles, then you have Byrnes. If you look at title appearances then you have Gaffney. You've got the relevant throughout the evolution of high school football with Abbeville wining across multiple classifications. Columbia was always in the hunt back before the modern era and into the early modern era. If you throw in the ' but nobody wanted to play them' you've got too many to count... Greenwood, Barnwell, Spartanburg, Macedonia, Hillcrest (Dalzell), Calhoun Falls, Whimire and too many more to mention; especially small mill towns back in the days...

There are many school that can claim or have someone argue based on their limited experience or exposure, but after those 1st 2 the rest are all second tier claimants to the thrown.
Gaffney second tier.. :lol: by his own logic no less... :?
Sorry @mikey I guess your top 3 was filtered out...

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bringthewood wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:49 pm
mikey wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:01 pm
bringthewood wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:37 pm
1- Summerville has to be at the top. You have Big John and the record. Most around the country will associate SC HS football and the Green Wave and Big John as the top of the class. You can argue that others have taken their place, but if you do you don't understand what history and the term 'storied' means.

2- Lake View is right there with them in terms of longevity and relevance. They are one of the winningest programs ever and have a history that goes back as far as any school can honestly claim. It's a shame they have been shuttled into the dust bin.

3- This is the hardest if you limit it to 3, because there are so many that have either the titles, the longevity, or relevance. If you simply look at time on the map relative to titles it has to South Point. If you look at overall titles, then you have Byrnes. If you look at title appearances then you have Gaffney. You've got the relevant throughout the evolution of high school football with Abbeville wining across multiple classifications. Columbia was always in the hunt back before the modern era and into the early modern era. If you throw in the ' but nobody wanted to play them' you've got too many to count... Greenwood, Barnwell, Spartanburg, Macedonia, Hillcrest (Dalzell), Calhoun Falls, Whimire and too many more to mention; especially small mill towns back in the days...

There are many school that can claim or have someone argue based on their limited experience or exposure, but after those 1st 2 the rest are all second tier claimants to the thrown.
Gaffney second tier.. :lol: by his own logic no less... :?
Sorry @mikey I guess your top 3 was filtered out...
Because I couldn't add Gaffney the point was moot...but here u go..

Summerville
Woodruff
Greenwood / Sumter

I also apologize for my snide comment...after all it was your top 3.. BUT....

Gaffney has lost more titles than it' s won ...while winning more titles than anyone else by a good margin...17...

Gaffney won titles in the 1920's ...so the longevity is there..

"O great ..we got Gaffney next" said no one ever...

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Re: "Your" top 3 storied programs in SC regardless of class and why. **Can't choose your own team**

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most storied?

Gaffney
Woodruff
Summerville
Greenwood

had to pick 4

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Re: "Your" top 3 storied programs in SC regardless of class and why. **Can't choose your own team**

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1 CAT FAN wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:30 pm
GwoodEagle2k1 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 8:50 pm
Thought this would be a fun little exercise :D

2. Dillon Wildcats : I feel like they are the most non talked about successful program in the state. These guys have made a habit of being in semi finals and finals most years in their respective class. Dillon fans, drop some stat knowledge on me about your team. How many years in a row have you all been in a semi final or finals game?
It's been a nice run, started back in 2008.
http://www.scfootballhistory.com/wordpress/?page_id=97
Appreciate the info!

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Excellent posts guys!

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Re: "Your" top 3 storied programs in SC regardless of class and why. **Can't choose your own team**

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mikey wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:13 am
bringthewood wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:49 pm
mikey wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:01 pm
bringthewood wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:37 pm
1- Summerville has to be at the top. You have Big John and the record. Most around the country will associate SC HS football and the Green Wave and Big John as the top of the class. You can argue that others have taken their place, but if you do you don't understand what history and the term 'storied' means.

2- Lake View is right there with them in terms of longevity and relevance. They are one of the winningest programs ever and have a history that goes back as far as any school can honestly claim. It's a shame they have been shuttled into the dust bin.

3- This is the hardest if you limit it to 3, because there are so many that have either the titles, the longevity, or relevance. If you simply look at time on the map relative to titles it has to South Point. If you look at overall titles, then you have Byrnes. If you look at title appearances then you have Gaffney. You've got the relevant throughout the evolution of high school football with Abbeville wining across multiple classifications. Columbia was always in the hunt back before the modern era and into the early modern era. If you throw in the ' but nobody wanted to play them' you've got too many to count... Greenwood, Barnwell, Spartanburg, Macedonia, Hillcrest (Dalzell), Calhoun Falls, Whimire and too many more to mention; especially small mill towns back in the days...

There are many school that can claim or have someone argue based on their limited experience or exposure, but after those 1st 2 the rest are all second tier claimants to the thrown.
Gaffney second tier.. :lol: by his own logic no less... :?
Sorry @mikey I guess your top 3 was filtered out...
Because I couldn't add Gaffney the point was moot...but here u go..

Summerville
Woodruff
Greenwood / Sumter

I also apologize for my snide comment...after all it was your top 3.. BUT....

Gaffney has lost more titles than it' s won ...while winning more titles than anyone else by a good margin...17...

Gaffney won titles in the 1920's ...so the longevity is there..

"O great ..we got Gaffney next" said no one ever...
I stated most title appearances, but you've got the sticky wicket with Byrnes over titles won on the field and titles awarded. Spartanburg won a title back in the dark ages, but anything pre-1960 is questionable.

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I'll throw this out..... for any statements (including mine) for "storied/historied" programs prior to the the 1960ish realignment... There wasn't much of a governing body to control any element of of HS sports. There was an attempt to have some control, but that was based on who wanted to join/who could join.

There were high school football teams documented back to the 1920's, but there often was a very blurring line between who could play on a team affiliated with a high school.

Not much different from colleges after WWII like West Point, or some returning WWII vets that lied about their age to join and returned and went back to high school.

Records are scant at best.

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I still haven’t read Gilmores book about Spartanburg County Football.
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Post by Colbyc36 »

Mikey, I thought Gaffney had 16, not 17....

Anyway, it depends on what you call "storied". Most championships?

If you use the formula: Championships (C) divided by Years since inception (Y) then you can see (or at least I can) how successful a school has been historically. An example:

Gaffney: 16/96=16.6% success rate
Byrnes: 11/65=16.9% success rate

That being said, Summerville dogs em both out.
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