2020 Outlook for High School Football

[FootballFan4343]

its not looking good. gaffney is holding its graduation ceremony on may 28. it is a class of roughly 400 students who get 2 tickets each and the school is still having to use both sides of one of the largest stadiums in the southeast just to fit 800 people in the stands.

This is likely what we will see in the fall. Limit tickets to games and force "sectional seating". I don't believe it will be this small, but for a 10,000 seat stadium, you are probably looking at selling up to 4,000 tickets.

[spectator]

The High School League already laid out the plan. They passed a ruling allowing summer workouts to begin effective June 1st, assuming the Governor opens up the school buildings by then. So, its in his corner now. Once he opens school buildings, workouts can begin.

I said a few days ago,it is up to the Governor to make the final decision.
my question is if the Governor says that high schools can play football
this year.Can a school opt out and not have football.now that would through
a monkey wrench into football if that happened.

It's not up to the Governor, it's up to the local school board to decide.

No, its up to all of the above. The Governor, SCHSL, and local schools all have a say. If the Governor chooses to keep in person schools closed for next year, the SCHSL and local schools have zero power to challenge that. It is ultimately his call. If HE ALLOWS schools to re-open, then SCHSL and local schools can make their decision. The SCHSL has already made their decision by voting to allow summer workouts begin June 1st (or whenever the Governor allows school facilities to re-open). Once the Governor allows school facilities to re-open the local schools then can make their decisions. At the end of the day, however, if the Governor says No, then nothing else anyone says matters. The department of education reports directly to the Governor, and therefore, he ultimately has the final says.

Have you ever served on a School Board? Do you even realize how much power a School Board has over their district? It is almost absolute.

Are you trying to just argue with yourself now? I (nor anyone else) ever questioned the power of a school board over its district. I will say again. The order of HOW football has to happen is as follows. Governor gives the OK. Once he does that, the South Carolina high School league has to give the OK (which they passed a ruling earlier this month saying workouts can begin as soon as the governor allows it). THEN and ONLY THEN does the School Board have the ability to allow the schools to open and play sports. So the School Board's word ONLY matters if the Governor and SCHSL allow football to be played.

Even if the Governor and SCHSL say play ball, the local school board can shoot that right down. They have the last word.

[spectator]

I think he should've already opened everything up especially since this virus does nothing to young people damn it's not rocket science and we the people have the right to make a living and it's bullshit and it's time for it to end

Most of this was unknown when the "shutdown" began in mid March. Once it was clear that the hospitals were not overrun, the re-opening process began. To his defense, he can't open everything at once as many business have to make significant changes to be safe. That's why some restaurants are choosing to not re-open indoor dining yet. They just aren't prepared. I am not a big McMaster fan, but I believe he has handled our re-opening better than any state around the country. He has opened things "just right". Not too quickly, nor has he opened to slow.

We are last in America in testing. As long as we are there, we have zero idea what level of infection we have here.

What hospital or medical agency do you work for? You seem pretty confident on your statements. I would advise you to call the governor and tell him you know more than his medical advisers. Your claim that we have "zero idea what level of infection we have here" is basically saying you know more than any doctor in this state. The way we, and any state, knows level of infection is by death totals. Again, its NOT ABOUT how many people have it, its HOW MANY ARE GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND HOW MANY ARE DYING! Flattening the curve has NEVER been about keeping everyone from getting it, instead its to stop the overflow into hospitals. Also, we can go ahead and say it guys, there WILL BE high school football in the fall. Its happening. Maybe without fans, but its happening. If any of you have followed the State Superintendent's Accelerate meetings, you are aware of this fact. She and others, have been clear that if school is open, then sports should be as well. It has also become clear they will OVERWHELMINGLY support the idea of going back to school in their presentation to the Governor this week. He has shown he will go with whatever his committees feel is best. So, unless a total 180 happens with this virus, we are going back to school and playing sports (maybe without fans), but sports are happening.

You just proved my point. We don't know how many people have died from the virus in S.C. The experts have explained that over and over. We don't test those who come into the hospital deceased. They may have have died from a heart attack but have the virus. WE DON'T KNOW HOW INFECTED WE ARE and will not know until testing is expanded at least 5 times what it is now. That is straight from the experts.

[FootballFan4343]

I said a few days ago,it is up to the Governor to make the final decision.
my question is if the Governor says that high schools can play football
this year.Can a school opt out and not have football.now that would through
a monkey wrench into football if that happened.

It's not up to the Governor, it's up to the local school board to decide.

No, its up to all of the above. The Governor, SCHSL, and local schools all have a say. If the Governor chooses to keep in person schools closed for next year, the SCHSL and local schools have zero power to challenge that. It is ultimately his call. If HE ALLOWS schools to re-open, then SCHSL and local schools can make their decision. The SCHSL has already made their decision by voting to allow summer workouts begin June 1st (or whenever the Governor allows school facilities to re-open). Once the Governor allows school facilities to re-open the local schools then can make their decisions. At the end of the day, however, if the Governor says No, then nothing else anyone says matters. The department of education reports directly to the Governor, and therefore, he ultimately has the final says.

Have you ever served on a School Board? Do you even realize how much power a School Board has over their district? It is almost absolute.

Are you trying to just argue with yourself now? I (nor anyone else) ever questioned the power of a school board over its district. I will say again. The order of HOW football has to happen is as follows. Governor gives the OK. Once he does that, the South Carolina high School league has to give the OK (which they passed a ruling earlier this month saying workouts can begin as soon as the governor allows it). THEN and ONLY THEN does the School Board have the ability to allow the schools to open and play sports. So the School Board's word ONLY matters if the Governor and SCHSL allow football to be played.

Even if the Governor and SCHSL say play ball, the local school board can shoot that right down. They have the last word.

You have once again talked yourself in a circle and proven everyone's point. The School Board, HSL, and Governor ALL have the "last word". The SCHSL has ALREADY made their stance. If school boards vote to open schools in the fall (which some have already made that decision), they still have to abide by the Governor's ruling. HIS ruling is truly the one that overcomes all in terms of opening schools. He actually CAN force schools to open around the state, even overthrowing local school boards. How he can do it is by pulling all funding/payment to teachers/staff unless schools open. The Governor is the "CEO" of the schools in South Carolina, so to speak. Our Constitution calls for him to oversee that part of our state.
As one poster put it, it has been explained clearly to you. It is the point now where you do NOT want to understand it no matter how many times people explain it. So its best if we move on.

[FootballFan4343]

I think he should've already opened everything up especially since this virus does nothing to young people damn it's not rocket science and we the people have the right to make a living and it's bullshit and it's time for it to end

Most of this was unknown when the "shutdown" began in mid March. Once it was clear that the hospitals were not overrun, the re-opening process began. To his defense, he can't open everything at once as many business have to make significant changes to be safe. That's why some restaurants are choosing to not re-open indoor dining yet. They just aren't prepared. I am not a big McMaster fan, but I believe he has handled our re-opening better than any state around the country. He has opened things "just right". Not too quickly, nor has he opened to slow.

We are last in America in testing. As long as we are there, we have zero idea what level of infection we have here.

What hospital or medical agency do you work for? You seem pretty confident on your statements. I would advise you to call the governor and tell him you know more than his medical advisers. Your claim that we have "zero idea what level of infection we have here" is basically saying you know more than any doctor in this state. The way we, and any state, knows level of infection is by death totals. Again, its NOT ABOUT how many people have it, its HOW MANY ARE GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND HOW MANY ARE DYING! Flattening the curve has NEVER been about keeping everyone from getting it, instead its to stop the overflow into hospitals. Also, we can go ahead and say it guys, there WILL BE high school football in the fall. Its happening. Maybe without fans, but its happening. If any of you have followed the State Superintendent's Accelerate meetings, you are aware of this fact. She and others, have been clear that if school is open, then sports should be as well. It has also become clear they will OVERWHELMINGLY support the idea of going back to school in their presentation to the Governor this week. He has shown he will go with whatever his committees feel is best. So, unless a total 180 happens with this virus, we are going back to school and playing sports (maybe without fans), but sports are happening.

You just proved my point. We don't know how many people have died from the virus in S.C. The experts have explained that over and over. We don't test those who come into the hospital deceased. They may have have died from a heart attack but have the virus. WE DON'T KNOW HOW INFECTED WE ARE and will not know until testing is expanded at least 5 times what it is now. That is straight from the experts.

Last time I checked, no one comes to the hospital "deceased". If you are dead, you go directly to the morgue or a funeral home.
Please show me your SOUTH CAROLINA "experts" that are claiming this. I am curious what expert claimed that we don't test those that come to the hospital dead. And YES we do know exactly how many have died, as of today the number is 391. In your case of dying from a Heart Attack but having the virus, as it sits now, those are being coded as died from complications of COVID-19. Later this summer, those numbers will likely be revised and properly counted for cause of death. This is direct from DHEC on how they are handling it. Also, I communicated with a colleague of mine who is employed by DHEC and was directly told that the 391 accounts for any deaths around the state that have happened from someone who is COVID-19 positive.
Listen, at the end of the day, you are going to believe what you want to believe. You are "creating" facts and saying "the experts say" but yet haven't given any evidence of the so-called experts. In looking at your post history, nearly half of your posts are focused on this topic and you began the conversations by saying the "governor's blind ignorance" is going to cost kids their sports' seasons. That statement alone shows your agenda and negates any past and future information on this topic from you. Your bias against the current administration makes it impossible to see things in a different light.

[spectator]

I think he should've already opened everything up especially since this virus does nothing to young people damn it's not rocket science and we the people have the right to make a living and it's bullshit and it's time for it to end

Most of this was unknown when the "shutdown" began in mid March. Once it was clear that the hospitals were not overrun, the re-opening process began. To his defense, he can't open everything at once as many business have to make significant changes to be safe. That's why some restaurants are choosing to not re-open indoor dining yet. They just aren't prepared. I am not a big McMaster fan, but I believe he has handled our re-opening better than any state around the country. He has opened things "just right". Not too quickly, nor has he opened to slow.

We are last in America in testing. As long as we are there, we have zero idea what level of infection we have here.

What hospital or medical agency do you work for? You seem pretty confident on your statements. I would advise you to call the governor and tell him you know more than his medical advisers. Your claim that we have "zero idea what level of infection we have here" is basically saying you know more than any doctor in this state. The way we, and any state, knows level of infection is by death totals. Again, its NOT ABOUT how many people have it, its HOW MANY ARE GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND HOW MANY ARE DYING! Flattening the curve has NEVER been about keeping everyone from getting it, instead its to stop the overflow into hospitals. Also, we can go ahead and say it guys, there WILL BE high school football in the fall. Its happening. Maybe without fans, but its happening. If any of you have followed the State Superintendent's Accelerate meetings, you are aware of this fact. She and others, have been clear that if school is open, then sports should be as well. It has also become clear they will OVERWHELMINGLY support the idea of going back to school in their presentation to the Governor this week. He has shown he will go with whatever his committees feel is best. So, unless a total 180 happens with this virus, we are going back to school and playing sports (maybe without fans), but sports are happening.

You just proved my point. We don't know how many people have died from the virus in S.C. The experts have explained that over and over. We don't test those who come into the hospital deceased. They may have have died from a heart attack but have the virus. WE DON'T KNOW HOW INFECTED WE ARE and will not know until testing is expanded at least 5 times what it is now. That is straight from the experts.

Last time I checked, no one comes to the hospital "deceased". If you are dead, you go directly to the morgue or a funeral home.
Please show me your SOUTH CAROLINA "experts" that are claiming this. I am curious what expert claimed that we don't test those that come to the hospital dead. And YES we do know exactly how many have died, as of today the number is 391. In your case of dying from a Heart Attack but having the virus, as it sits now, those are being coded as died from complications of COVID-19. Later this summer, those numbers will likely be revised and properly counted for cause of death. This is direct from DHEC on how they are handling it. Also, I communicated with a colleague of mine who is employed by DHEC and was directly told that the 391 accounts for any deaths around the state that have happened from someone who is COVID-19 positive.
Listen, at the end of the day, you are going to believe what you want to believe. You are "creating" facts and saying "the experts say" but yet haven't given any evidence of the so-called experts. In looking at your post history, nearly half of your posts are focused on this topic and you began the conversations by saying the "governor's blind ignorance" is going to cost kids their sports' seasons. That statement alone shows your agenda and negates any past and future information on this topic from you. Your bias against the current administration makes it impossible to see things in a different light.

Is this what you want?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... c-s-spread

I do my research before posting anything, you should try it.

[spectator]

It's not up to the Governor, it's up to the local school board to decide.

No, its up to all of the above. The Governor, SCHSL, and local schools all have a say. If the Governor chooses to keep in person schools closed for next year, the SCHSL and local schools have zero power to challenge that. It is ultimately his call. If HE ALLOWS schools to re-open, then SCHSL and local schools can make their decision. The SCHSL has already made their decision by voting to allow summer workouts begin June 1st (or whenever the Governor allows school facilities to re-open). Once the Governor allows school facilities to re-open the local schools then can make their decisions. At the end of the day, however, if the Governor says No, then nothing else anyone says matters. The department of education reports directly to the Governor, and therefore, he ultimately has the final says.

Have you ever served on a School Board? Do you even realize how much power a School Board has over their district? It is almost absolute.

Are you trying to just argue with yourself now? I (nor anyone else) ever questioned the power of a school board over its district. I will say again. The order of HOW football has to happen is as follows. Governor gives the OK. Once he does that, the South Carolina high School league has to give the OK (which they passed a ruling earlier this month saying workouts can begin as soon as the governor allows it). THEN and ONLY THEN does the School Board have the ability to allow the schools to open and play sports. So the School Board's word ONLY matters if the Governor and SCHSL allow football to be played.

Even if the Governor and SCHSL say play ball, the local school board can shoot that right down. They have the last word.

You have once again talked yourself in a circle and proven everyone's point. The School Board, HSL, and Governor ALL have the "last word". The SCHSL has ALREADY made their stance. If school boards vote to open schools in the fall (which some have already made that decision), they still have to abide by the Governor's ruling. HIS ruling is truly the one that overcomes all in terms of opening schools. He actually CAN force schools to open around the state, even overthrowing local school boards. How he can do it is by pulling all funding/payment to teachers/staff unless schools open. The Governor is the "CEO" of the schools in South Carolina, so to speak. Our Constitution calls for him to oversee that part of our state.
As one poster put it, it has been explained clearly to you. It is the point now where you do NOT want to understand it no matter how many times people explain it. So its best if we move on.

It's not complicated, the Governor has 2 authorities in a matter like this one; he can issue an order to close schools and he can lift that order. THAT'S IT. Once he lifts the order it is completely up to the school board what happens next. Now, people who know how to think understand why it has to be this way, but, being that you are lost I will explain to you why it must be this way. Let's say Oconee County is as clean as a whistle, no Coronavirus cases but Horry is saturated with cases. Or even better, let's use a state like Florida. It is 700 miles from Pensacola to Miami, the situation in the 2 places could be completely opposite. GOT IT NOW? Like i said, it is up to the local school board IF the school opens back up AND what is allowed and not allowed once it opens up. You Fox news scholars don't think anything through.

[spectator]

Here are the cold hard numbers and in the end these numbers will determine what the future holds. As you can see, we are in a stalemate against this virus in S.C. We are not making any gains towards zero cases. Of course, this is based on the limited information that we have to work with. Until these numbers change, i don't see much promise in anything school related.

South Carolina Coronavirus numbers over the last month:
Week #1:
1,113 new cases and 54 new deaths
Week #2
1,136 new cases and 101 new deaths
Week #3
1,027 new cases and 56 new deaths
Last 7 days:
1,163 new cases and 54 new deaths

[FootballFan4343]

Most of this was unknown when the "shutdown" began in mid March. Once it was clear that the hospitals were not overrun, the re-opening process began. To his defense, he can't open everything at once as many business have to make significant changes to be safe. That's why some restaurants are choosing to not re-open indoor dining yet. They just aren't prepared. I am not a big McMaster fan, but I believe he has handled our re-opening better than any state around the country. He has opened things "just right". Not too quickly, nor has he opened to slow.

We are last in America in testing. As long as we are there, we have zero idea what level of infection we have here.

What hospital or medical agency do you work for? You seem pretty confident on your statements. I would advise you to call the governor and tell him you know more than his medical advisers. Your claim that we have "zero idea what level of infection we have here" is basically saying you know more than any doctor in this state. The way we, and any state, knows level of infection is by death totals. Again, its NOT ABOUT how many people have it, its HOW MANY ARE GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND HOW MANY ARE DYING! Flattening the curve has NEVER been about keeping everyone from getting it, instead its to stop the overflow into hospitals. Also, we can go ahead and say it guys, there WILL BE high school football in the fall. Its happening. Maybe without fans, but its happening. If any of you have followed the State Superintendent's Accelerate meetings, you are aware of this fact. She and others, have been clear that if school is open, then sports should be as well. It has also become clear they will OVERWHELMINGLY support the idea of going back to school in their presentation to the Governor this week. He has shown he will go with whatever his committees feel is best. So, unless a total 180 happens with this virus, we are going back to school and playing sports (maybe without fans), but sports are happening.

You just proved my point. We don't know how many people have died from the virus in S.C. The experts have explained that over and over. We don't test those who come into the hospital deceased. They may have have died from a heart attack but have the virus. WE DON'T KNOW HOW INFECTED WE ARE and will not know until testing is expanded at least 5 times what it is now. That is straight from the experts.

Last time I checked, no one comes to the hospital "deceased". If you are dead, you go directly to the morgue or a funeral home.
Please show me your SOUTH CAROLINA "experts" that are claiming this. I am curious what expert claimed that we don't test those that come to the hospital dead. And YES we do know exactly how many have died, as of today the number is 391. In your case of dying from a Heart Attack but having the virus, as it sits now, those are being coded as died from complications of COVID-19. Later this summer, those numbers will likely be revised and properly counted for cause of death. This is direct from DHEC on how they are handling it. Also, I communicated with a colleague of mine who is employed by DHEC and was directly told that the 391 accounts for any deaths around the state that have happened from someone who is COVID-19 positive.
Listen, at the end of the day, you are going to believe what you want to believe. You are "creating" facts and saying "the experts say" but yet haven't given any evidence of the so-called experts. In looking at your post history, nearly half of your posts are focused on this topic and you began the conversations by saying the "governor's blind ignorance" is going to cost kids their sports' seasons. That statement alone shows your agenda and negates any past and future information on this topic from you. Your bias against the current administration makes it impossible to see things in a different light.

Is this what you want?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... c-s-spread

I do my research before posting anything, you should try it.

No, that is not adding any clarity to your assessment of "dead people showing up to the hospital". The part you are attempting to use as evidence of your claim that deceased individuals show up to the hospital is nothing more than a quote on how coroners test for positivity related to COVID-19. The remainder of the story is based on what is happening in Washington state and New York City. The quote from the Richland County coroner is given based on his position as head of the International Association of Coroners. He is saying that most tests that coroners do are from deaths that happen at home. OBVIOUSLY. The coroner wouldn't test anyone at a hospital as the hospital already does that.

[FootballFan4343]

No, its up to all of the above. The Governor, SCHSL, and local schools all have a say. If the Governor chooses to keep in person schools closed for next year, the SCHSL and local schools have zero power to challenge that. It is ultimately his call. If HE ALLOWS schools to re-open, then SCHSL and local schools can make their decision. The SCHSL has already made their decision by voting to allow summer workouts begin June 1st (or whenever the Governor allows school facilities to re-open). Once the Governor allows school facilities to re-open the local schools then can make their decisions. At the end of the day, however, if the Governor says No, then nothing else anyone says matters. The department of education reports directly to the Governor, and therefore, he ultimately has the final says.

Have you ever served on a School Board? Do you even realize how much power a School Board has over their district? It is almost absolute.

Are you trying to just argue with yourself now? I (nor anyone else) ever questioned the power of a school board over its district. I will say again. The order of HOW football has to happen is as follows. Governor gives the OK. Once he does that, the South Carolina high School league has to give the OK (which they passed a ruling earlier this month saying workouts can begin as soon as the governor allows it). THEN and ONLY THEN does the School Board have the ability to allow the schools to open and play sports. So the School Board's word ONLY matters if the Governor and SCHSL allow football to be played.

Even if the Governor and SCHSL say play ball, the local school board can shoot that right down. They have the last word.

You have once again talked yourself in a circle and proven everyone's point. The School Board, HSL, and Governor ALL have the "last word". The SCHSL has ALREADY made their stance. If school boards vote to open schools in the fall (which some have already made that decision), they still have to abide by the Governor's ruling. HIS ruling is truly the one that overcomes all in terms of opening schools. He actually CAN force schools to open around the state, even overthrowing local school boards. How he can do it is by pulling all funding/payment to teachers/staff unless schools open. The Governor is the "CEO" of the schools in South Carolina, so to speak. Our Constitution calls for him to oversee that part of our state.
As one poster put it, it has been explained clearly to you. It is the point now where you do NOT want to understand it no matter how many times people explain it. So its best if we move on.

It's not complicated, the Governor has 2 authorities in a matter like this one; he can issue an order to close schools and he can lift that order. THAT'S IT. Once he lifts the order it is completely up to the school board what happens next. Now, people who know how to think understand why it has to be this way, but, being that you are lost I will explain to you why it must be this way. Let's say Oconee County is as clean as a whistle, no Coronavirus cases but Horry is saturated with cases. Or even better, let's use a state like Florida. It is 700 miles from Pensacola to Miami, the situation in the 2 places could be completely opposite. GOT IT NOW? Like i said, it is up to the local school board IF the school opens back up AND what is allowed and not allowed once it opens up. You Fox news scholars don't think anything through.

Most of your comment I agree with, and have the entire time. From the first post on this, I said the Governor has to make his decision, which then allows the SCHSL which then allows the local schools to do the same. So at this point you are merely arguing for the sake of arguing.
But, you are mistaken on our first line. The Governor has a SERIES of things he can do. He can allow school to open or close. He can choose to cancel all sports/activities or not. He has full authority over the schools to allow or cancel things and YES, he could choose to force local schools to open by withholding funds for teachers and facilities if they aren't open. It is very unlikely he would do that, but YES he does have that authority.