How Will The SCHSL Protect the Kids and Coaches

[FootballFan4343]

Now with the Governor's response to the issues of youth sports lets apply them to high school sports and how they could apply, plus some new questions that were asked to me today. You can read the guidelines attached below:

https://governor.sc.gov/sites/default/f ... 0FINAL.pdf

1. If a player is found to be infected does that mean the team and coaches (Both Teams) will have to be quarantined for 2 weeks?
2. Since the State is strongly recommending that the players travel to contest independently does that suggest no more team bus rides?
3. No licking fingers or spitting, wonder if that will be a 5 or 10-yard penalty? LOL
4. Who is going to keep up with the 30-80 water bottles
5. How do you social distance on a football bench with 40-70 players and coaches?
6. Concessions are going to be a nightmare!! LOL
7. Define unnecessary physical contact, football is contact!!
8. Will there be no Jamboree's since the facilities have to be cleaned and sanitized between contest?
9. And the poor women's bathroom! LOL

Go ahead and laugh and make your comments but some of this will be very real for some folks. I am just bringing it up for conversation.

All great questions and very real issues. I am tracking the daily number of cases and Thursday's 199 new cases, yesterday's 245 new cases and today's 248 new cases are 3 of the highest numbers so far. I think to predict ANYTHING right now regarding high school football this year is a "bridge too far", in Dr. Fauci's words. If these new case numbers continue to stay where they are or rise the possibility of seeing football this year is very, very slim.

Whew, thats a sigh of relief....You are tracking daily numbers of cases. Good to know, since your analysis is more qualified than DHEC's daily updates. Fortunately, you are not making decisions and your opinion (or any of us on here) doesn't matter. The Superintendent will be making her AccelerateED committee's recommendation to the governor this week to open schools this fall and facilities effective June 8th-15th for summer workouts. The word is that the Governor will rubber stamp that recommendation (as he has done every other committee recommendation so far). At that point, the Governor will allow facilities to re-open and individual school districts will then have the authority to allow students/teachers back into the facilities.
As for your quoting of cases, its clear you are missing the point. DHEC has noted DAILY that cases are likely not to see significant drops as they are doing exponentially more testing than this time a month ago. Government officials have been focusing on 2 things. #1 hospitalization (as of Saturday, that was only 461 TOTAL patients, STATEWIDE, were in the hospital due to COVID-19 or suspected COVID-19 cases). We have over 12,000 potential hospital beds, so as you can see, the hospitalization rate has plateaued and not grown at all. Secondly, they look at percent positive cases and it continues to be less than 5%.
With all of that said, none of this matters to you, I get it (we all get it). You have your bias and thats fine. At the end of the day, YOU need to realize, however, that high school football is happening this fall. All of the information shows it, you just have to be willing to accept it, even if you don't agree.

i don't know what your obsession with me is, but, the numbers do not lie............we are consistently seeing around 250 cases per day now and we know there will be increases after the recklessness and ignorance displayed this past weekend.......i can assure you that we will not be doing much of anything as long as these numbers are where they are now............it is true, some of this increase in numbers is due to increased testing, but, these are real cases and we must wonder if these numbers would go even higher if the testing was done at the level it should be..............i track these numbers because until they go way, way down, football is just a fantasy.............

You are correct, not all numbers LIE, but yours do. The 7 day average of positive cases in South Carolina is 195 (which is 22% LOWER than the 250 number you quoted) , and the 7 day average of positive rate continues to be around 3%, which is incredibly low. During that same 7 day window, South Carolina had the highest growth in tests nationwide. Thank goodness you continue to "track" the cases, since DHEC doesn't do it on a DAILY basis already.
Fortunately for the rest of the world, your opinion isn't being taken into consideration by the Governor. As noted on here previously, it will be presented this week that Summer workouts will start in early to mid June, then its on from there. Also, the AccelerateED task force presented TODAY to open school facilities for learning THIS SUMMER for remedial learning.
Its happening, whether you want it to or not.

[FootballFan4343]

I would think that unless the virus just goes away which
does not seem likely,it will be a 100% chance that some
football players will have the virus during the season.

I agree, and that is when the season ends........

Thanks for your doctoral knowledge on this one. What experience do you have that leads you to believe an entire football season is over when one player or multiple players on one time test positive for COVID-19? What medical school did you attend? Or better yet, what government position do you hold that enables you to say that with such authority.

Using your mentality, then we are just going to shut everything down, potentially forever. At what point do we move forward? What happens if there is no vaccine that works, since it has been reported that its only a 50/50 shot that it will work? Do we stay completely locked down until we see if a virus works? What happens if it doesn't work?

[Fortfor5]

If ya scared stay home.the rest of us want to live choice is yours.43% of deaths are older aged people.nusing homes ect.
1or3 out of 100k are 18 to 30 or 35.
The risk factor for young healthy people is miniscule .
And of those some a prior health issues
So the percentages do not necessitate a lockdown in most areas.
Noones making u do anything stay home keep ya kids home.
But do not make the choice for me .
Thus chicken littke crap is getting old.
Everone dies not everbody lives .
Lockdown is agenda pushed by certain political groups.
They can shove it.

[spectator]

I would think that unless the virus just goes away which
does not seem likely,it will be a 100% chance that some
football players will have the virus during the season.

I agree, and that is when the season ends........

Thanks for your doctoral knowledge on this one. What experience do you have that leads you to believe an entire football season is over when one player or multiple players on one time test positive for COVID-19? What medical school did you attend? Or better yet, what government position do you hold that enables you to say that with such authority.

Using your mentality, then we are just going to shut everything down, potentially forever. At what point do we move forward? What happens if there is no vaccine that works, since it has been reported that its only a 50/50 shot that it will work? Do we stay completely locked down until we see if a virus works? What happens if it doesn't work?

Beat on your chest and talk like a big boy..................let this monster get loose and you will shut up then............as Dr. Fauci said just this morning.............."We are tempting fate and asking for trouble"..........

[spectator]

If ya scared stay home.the rest of us want to live choice is yours.43% of deaths are older aged people.nusing homes ect.
1or3 out of 100k are 18 to 30 or 35.
The risk factor for young healthy people is miniscule .
And of those some a prior health issues
So the percentages do not necessitate a lockdown in most areas.
Noones making u do anything stay home keep ya kids home.
But do not make the choice for me .
Thus chicken littke crap is getting old.
Everone dies not everbody lives .
Lockdown is agenda pushed by certain political groups.
They can shove it.

uninformed, pscho talk.............

[FootballFan4343]

I would think that unless the virus just goes away which
does not seem likely,it will be a 100% chance that some
football players will have the virus during the season.

I agree, and that is when the season ends........

Thanks for your doctoral knowledge on this one. What experience do you have that leads you to believe an entire football season is over when one player or multiple players on one time test positive for COVID-19? What medical school did you attend? Or better yet, what government position do you hold that enables you to say that with such authority.

Using your mentality, then we are just going to shut everything down, potentially forever. At what point do we move forward? What happens if there is no vaccine that works, since it has been reported that its only a 50/50 shot that it will work? Do we stay completely locked down until we see if a virus works? What happens if it doesn't work?

Beat on your chest and talk like a big boy..................let this monster get loose and you will shut up then............as Dr. Fauci said just this morning.............."We are tempting fate and asking for trouble"..........

Seriously stop using Dr. Fauci as your source. He has flip flopped this whole time. I can pull up multiple quotes on when he said things can and should open back up. Then the next week he is saying the opposite.
With that said, I will ask again. Using your scenario. When do things open back up? Science, throughout history, has shown us that immune systems weaken when we spend our lives in a bubble and don't "test" the immune system with different pathogens. So, lets say we lock it down until....when? When can we get back to some sense of normal life? When?

[FootballFan4343]

If ya scared stay home.the rest of us want to live choice is yours.43% of deaths are older aged people.nusing homes ect.
1or3 out of 100k are 18 to 30 or 35.
The risk factor for young healthy people is miniscule .
And of those some a prior health issues
So the percentages do not necessitate a lockdown in most areas.
Noones making u do anything stay home keep ya kids home.
But do not make the choice for me .
Thus chicken littke crap is getting old.
Everone dies not everbody lives .
Lockdown is agenda pushed by certain political groups.
They can shove it.

uninformed, pscho talk.............

You sir are the definition of irony. (Someone making fun of another poster's "pscho talk" by not even spelling the word "psycho" correct.)

Despite Fort's grammar issues, the meat of his post is correct. The risk of those under 60 dying from COVID-19 is less than that of the seasonal flu. Once you get above 60 is when the issues arise and COVID becomes 2-3 times more dangerous (in terms of deaths) than the seasonal flu.
As has been done throughout history with any pandemic, we protect the most "at risk" and allow the rest of the population to make their own decisions. As has been noted. If you choose not to go out exceot to go to the grocery store and you wear a N95 mask, your odds of getting COVID-19 are literally next to nothing. They truly are. Football happening, school happening, concerts happening, etc has no effect on you or your family getting COVID-19 if you lock yourselves down and only leave your home for food (then wear a N95 mask and keep social distancing when you go out.

[spectator]

I would think that unless the virus just goes away which
does not seem likely,it will be a 100% chance that some
football players will have the virus during the season.

I agree, and that is when the season ends........

Thanks for your doctoral knowledge on this one. What experience do you have that leads you to believe an entire football season is over when one player or multiple players on one time test positive for COVID-19? What medical school did you attend? Or better yet, what government position do you hold that enables you to say that with such authority.

Using your mentality, then we are just going to shut everything down, potentially forever. At what point do we move forward? What happens if there is no vaccine that works, since it has been reported that its only a 50/50 shot that it will work? Do we stay completely locked down until we see if a virus works? What happens if it doesn't work?

Beat on your chest and talk like a big boy..................let this monster get loose and you will shut up then............as Dr. Fauci said just this morning.............."We are tempting fate and asking for trouble"..........

Seriously stop using Dr. Fauci as your source. He has flip flopped this whole time. I can pull up multiple quotes on when he said things can and should open back up. Then the next week he is saying the opposite.
With that said, I will ask again. Using your scenario. When do things open back up? Science, throughout history, has shown us that immune systems weaken when we spend our lives in a bubble and don't "test" the immune system with different pathogens. So, lets say we lock it down until....when? When can we get back to some sense of normal life? When?

When there is a vaccine........until then we have to stay away from this monster.........20 new deaths just today............

[FootballFan4343]

I would think that unless the virus just goes away which
does not seem likely,it will be a 100% chance that some
football players will have the virus during the season.

I agree, and that is when the season ends........

Thanks for your doctoral knowledge on this one. What experience do you have that leads you to believe an entire football season is over when one player or multiple players on one time test positive for COVID-19? What medical school did you attend? Or better yet, what government position do you hold that enables you to say that with such authority.

Using your mentality, then we are just going to shut everything down, potentially forever. At what point do we move forward? What happens if there is no vaccine that works, since it has been reported that its only a 50/50 shot that it will work? Do we stay completely locked down until we see if a virus works? What happens if it doesn't work?

Beat on your chest and talk like a big boy..................let this monster get loose and you will shut up then............as Dr. Fauci said just this morning.............."We are tempting fate and asking for trouble"..........

Seriously stop using Dr. Fauci as your source. He has flip flopped this whole time. I can pull up multiple quotes on when he said things can and should open back up. Then the next week he is saying the opposite.
With that said, I will ask again. Using your scenario. When do things open back up? Science, throughout history, has shown us that immune systems weaken when we spend our lives in a bubble and don't "test" the immune system with different pathogens. So, lets say we lock it down until....when? When can we get back to some sense of normal life? When?

When there is a vaccine........until then we have to stay away from this monster.........20 new deaths just today............

Ok, thanks for answering. How does our country operate for those next 12 months? We have never had a lockdown more than 2 months. Even the Spanish Flu, we only "locked down" for a month.
Some are now questioning if the lockdowns even really did anything to prevent the deaths.

https://mises.org/wire/do-lockdowns-wor ... ce-says-no

Also, how do we handle the evidence in the uptick of child/spousal abuse? Remember, teachers and guidance counselors are the #1 source way abuse is uncovered. By keeping kids out of school, we aren't able to see the abuse happening. How do we handle a year of at home learning for children? Molly Spearman has noted that almost 50,000 students in South Carolina have not been heard from since they went to e-learning. If parents cannot go to work, how are essential jobs handled? All of this for a disease which clearly does not have major implications for those under the age of 65. In fact, the seasonal flu has a higher death rate on those under 60 than COVID-19.

What worth are you putting into the lives of those that are unable to get medical treatment due to it not being deemed "essential" like cancer screenings or chemotherapy, heart appointments, etc, etc, etc?

At the end of the day, that is what has to (and is currently being) be weighed. On one hand, we can argue that lives are "saved" with a lockdown, although that is currently being debated with evidence of the majority of New York City "positives" coming from those that are staying in "lockdown".

And of course there is the biggest question. Is all of this heartache and death that WILL happen from a lockdown worth it for a 50/50 shot that a vaccine would actually work. ESPECIALLY when only half of the US population would even get the vaccine https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... would-get/

So what happens then? Say the vaccine doesn't work (which has been stated is only a 50/50 shot). Also, what if only 50% get the vaccine? What then?

The point is a lockdown until a potential vaccine will clearly do more harm than good. 38 of the 50 states that have ended lockdowns have seen leveling off or a downturn in positive cases DESPITE increased testing. Time will tell, for sure. But at the end of the day, we can continue to go round and round on this, but it doesn't matter. High School football is happening. Your opinion or mine does not matter.

[Fortfor5]

Dr fauci is scientist by nature a pessimistic developper in scientific research .they have to be that way to keep searching.his findings will be malleable.i would rag him for being associated with unc chaoek hill.but i do not believe thier doctors skipped class only athletes.
The lack of resurgence in other countries after opening should tell ys what we need to know.
If it was killing children we woukd be on lockdown fact is young adults are doing fine.
While tragic a death of a 78 yr old in a nursung hime isnt alarming unkess your tge 78 year old., it is simply untenable to lock everyone down .ww are going to have to take that risk. Politucs are driving policy and thats crap.
It has nothing to do with science .thats the issue.