TL Hanna vs Dutch Fork Poll

[northside knight]

Most teams that haven't played tl hanna since they switched to that wing t are surprised how good they are at running it and don't take them seriously enough. By the time the game starts it's too late and they lose. Dutch fork has already seen it and beat hanna. So this is nothing new to the df coaching staff. I just don't see how this game will be any diff than the one last time.

df 35
hanna 14

[DFOLDMAN]

This is the year to beat DF....said it for a while. Silver Foxes have been better than I thought. To beat DF - offensively, you have to keep up. That means being able to run and throw the ball. If you are one dimensional, the DF defense takes away your bread and butter and forces you out of your comfort zone. Defensively, you have to be able to match up well against their receiver corps. Spencer, Williams, Sowell, Hyatt...all good receivers, a couple are exceptional, and all over 6'ft tall. They can run the short passing game or beat you with the long ball. People forget, but Dutch Fork runs the ball well, especially with a lead. Seen DF multiple times this year, but only a little film on Hanna. Problems I see for Hanna- DF defensive speed; they fly to the ball and all of them, including the DL can move well- and as Knotts says, "they will strike you"...hard hitting defensive unit. Offensively, a good deep big OL, smart QB, solid RBs and excellent receivers. I think Hanna DBs are going to be challenged in a way they have not been all season. Hanna has to be able to throw the ball well to beat DF. We know they run the ball well, but they need to be able to throw. I think...and this was a problem for them in 2018...they play some key players both ways. I may be wrong there, but I think I saw the same numbers on both sides of the ball...that can be problematic. This is/was the year to beat DF. The next two coming seasons, they will be special teams... Hanna is the last shot.

Absolutely disagree on the long ball .your qb throws it like
A punt .a very high arcing pass. Its up for grabs.His shorter passes slants were his best throw last friday.he was not accurate on his throws to the flat. His feet were his best asset . Very quick .Sumters qb couldn't pass. At all They ran the ball well .but the bread loaf the qb held out absolutely killed sumter at the early 3rd qtr.that was the game deciding play score or die.
If hanna can pass they should have a shot.
As usual a tk team does the fundamentals well.
That can be the difference.
Df wont overwelm you .yall play mostly mistake free.or atleast friday anyway.sumter had a few penalties that killed the few drives that were having success.
Df played better and won.

Were you saying df has a big oline or hanna?
Df oline isnt big .they are solid . Mostly stumps hard to get leverage on 5dt9 to 6ft 275 to 300.but hey gotta use what god gave ya. Hard to block them guys leverage wins. Well coached execute well.solid good lineman.
Df goes to the slants on d to clog the gaps.you have to have a power off tackle run game mixed with a decent pass game. Thats where sumter made thier runs at.if the rb would look up instead running into the back of his tackle he woulda had a better night.maybe not have won but definitely would have had some more yardage.
Anyways rain may be on the menu.

The long ball at the HS level is rarely a frozen rope- they put some air under it- DF receivers run 6'0", 6'2", 6'2", 6'3",6'5" (the 6'0" receiver has offers from Southern Cal and South Carolina as a Jr.) - so a jump ball is not a bad option, given the average height of a HS DB, with Hanna's secondary looking to be about average height. The QB may not be Olenchuk, but he is a two-sport commit to Clemson, baseball and football, so not too shabby. He has thrown for 21 TDs and only 4 INTs. Not sure what you consider a big HS OL, but DF starters (they have S. Price back now and he has offers, I believe) are 5'11" 255, 6'4" 295, 6'3" 295, 6'2" 280, 6'3" 320...that looks pretty big to me and they have some good sized back ups that play as well.
To beat DF, you have to keep up offensively. Hanna has thrown for 197 yards all season. They run the ball well and have not had to throw the ball....DF LBs and DTs play the inside run well, and the defensive team speed makes running wide, very difficult. Hanna will need to throw the ball a lot more than they have had to all season to keep pace. Not sure they have the experience to do that effectively. This is the year to beat DF. I think a team like NW would have matched up better, but they did not get it done against Hanna... It's up to Hanna to beat the Silver Foxes. Have to see what happens.

[Fortfor5]

This is the year to beat DF....said it for a while. Silver Foxes have been better than I thought. To beat DF - offensively, you have to keep up. That means being able to run and throw the ball. If you are one dimensional, the DF defense takes away your bread and butter and forces you out of your comfort zone. Defensively, you have to be able to match up well against their receiver corps. Spencer, Williams, Sowell, Hyatt...all good receivers, a couple are exceptional, and all over 6'ft tall. They can run the short passing game or beat you with the long ball. People forget, but Dutch Fork runs the ball well, especially with a lead. Seen DF multiple times this year, but only a little film on Hanna. Problems I see for Hanna- DF defensive speed; they fly to the ball and all of them, including the DL can move well- and as Knotts says, "they will strike you"...hard hitting defensive unit. Offensively, a good deep big OL, smart QB, solid RBs and excellent receivers. I think Hanna DBs are going to be challenged in a way they have not been all season. Hanna has to be able to throw the ball well to beat DF. We know they run the ball well, but they need to be able to throw. I think...and this was a problem for them in 2018...they play some key players both ways. I may be wrong there, but I think I saw the same numbers on both sides of the ball...that can be problematic. This is/was the year to beat DF. The next two coming seasons, they will be special teams... Hanna is the last shot.

Absolutely disagree on the long ball .your qb throws it like
A punt .a very high arcing pass. Its up for grabs.His shorter passes slants were his best throw last friday.he was not accurate on his throws to the flat. His feet were his best asset . Very quick .Sumters qb couldn't pass. At all They ran the ball well .but the bread loaf the qb held out absolutely killed sumter at the early 3rd qtr.that was the game deciding play score or die.
If hanna can pass they should have a shot.
As usual a tk team does the fundamentals well.
That can be the difference.
Df wont overwelm you .yall play mostly mistake free.or atleast friday anyway.sumter had a few penalties that killed the few drives that were having success.
Df played better and won.

Were you saying df has a big oline or hanna?
Df oline isnt big .they are solid . Mostly stumps hard to get leverage on 5dt9 to 6ft 275 to 300.but hey gotta use what god gave ya. Hard to block them guys leverage wins. Well coached execute well.solid good lineman.
Df goes to the slants on d to clog the gaps.you have to have a power off tackle run game mixed with a decent pass game. Thats where sumter made thier runs at.if the rb would look up instead running into the back of his tackle he woulda had a better night.maybe not have won but definitely would have had some more yardage.
Anyways rain may be on the menu.

The long ball at the HS level is rarely a frozen rope- they put some air under it- DF receivers run 6'0", 6'2", 6'2", 6'3",6'5" (the 6'0" receiver has offers from Southern Cal and South Carolina as a Jr.) - so a jump ball is not a bad option, given the average height of a HS DB, with Hanna's secondary looking to be about average height. The QB may not be Olenchuk, but he is a two-sport commit to Clemson, baseball and football, so not too shabby. He has thrown for 21 TDs and only 4 INTs. Not sure what you consider a big HS OL, but DF starters (they have S. Price back now and he has offers, I believe) are 5'11" 255, 6'4" 295, 6'3" 295, 6'2" 280, 6'3" 320...that looks pretty big to me and they have some good sized back ups that play as well.
To beat DF, you have to keep up offensively. Hanna has thrown for 197 yards all season. They run the ball well and have not had to throw the ball....DF LBs and DTs play the inside run well, and the defensive team speed makes running wide, very difficult. Hanna will need to throw the ball a lot more than they have had to all season to keep pace. Not sure they have the experience to do that effectively. This is the year to beat DF. I think a team like NW would have matched up better, but they did not get it done against Hanna... It's up to Hanna to beat the Silver Foxes. Have to see what happens.

Yall must have had some reserves in friday at times i didnt see but two that were over 6ft.when i walked past.
But i mean hieght is irrelevant at hs level.skill rules the roost.
Maybe im just use to a oline that size aswell.
Spoiled maybe lol.not that they weere small just not abnormaly huge either.but like i said it could be that im use to guys that size.our oline is around the same size.

Everyone mesures in football inches .we do aswell.
Bit hey man yall are the king until beaten.
Your qb is a athlete no doubt .and olenchuck was my comparison.
Fundamentals are solid .speed as a team working as a unit is df bread and butter.yall arr excellent at it.
Anyways good luck friday.

Got some strange looks friday .was trying to be in inconspicuous.but my nucklehead forgot his jacket
So he had to wear his fort gear.

[DFOLDMAN]

I know I make the Upstate crowd mad when I say this, but folks that know me, know this is how I feel. Obviously, I am a Dutch Fork homer and love those Silver Foxes, but since DF has gotten to the top tier in SC HS football, the biggest threat is not Gaffney, or Byrnes, or Hanna, or even Dorman...to me, it's always Fort Dorchester. They have the talent and the coach to always be the biggest threat. I felt the same this year. I think they looked past River Bluff and got caught (River Bluff is turning into DF's best rival...solid program on the rise). Last year, the win over Fort D was the single best game DF has ever played, save maybe their showing against Allen TX, but I feel that was the best game they've ever played, to include some of those great games in 2018. Beating and undefeated LaPrad coached FD on the road, 48-0... best DF football ever. I will always remember Coach LaPrad before the game, sticking it to the Upstate calling that showdown, "basically the state championship".....love LaPrad! Fort D is always the team I see on the horizon as the best team in the state...next to the Silver Foxes, of course.

This may be the year they fall...was the best chance, I believe at least for a few years- and Hanna may do it. I think Covid threw a monkey wrench into things of course...and made it clear, the "best system" wins during times like this, not necessarily the "best team"....Fear The Fox...

[Onion Rings]

I don't think upstate people will be upset that you love Fort D and Laprad. Just remember (you should know because you are such a big fan), DF is not a low country school/team and they are not even a lower state team except to even out the brackets

they are lower state and Irmo is upstate, lol

so don't try to turn this into some low country dominance theme because it does not exist. I'm quite sure the folks in Gaffney are happy with their 17 titles. How many has number 1 threat Fort got?

Put Knotts at Fort, Summerville, Gaffney, Dorman, etc. and the results would be the same. It's not the school thats inherently great it's the coach that makes them great

Were you a big DF fan when Kimrey coached there? do you even know who he is?

[DFOLDMAN]

Gaffney ...ha

How many of those 17 titles came before the advent of face masks?....answer would be most of them.

Yep, my elder sons were at DF through the "Kimrey Dynasty". Youngest son was there when Knotts arrived.

Knotts took back to back Kimrey 2-9 teams the years just prior to his arrival, arguably the worst Big 16 Team in the state and went 10-3 his very first season.

Well, the last 5 titles for the largest schools have gone to what is classified as Lower State....4 to DF and 1 to FD...hmm, sounds like..."dominance".
Living in the past, just like Gaffney. Relevance...fleeting thing, ain't it?

[Fortfor5]

I know I make the Upstate crowd mad when I say this, but folks that know me, know this is how I feel. Obviously, I am a Dutch Fork homer and love those Silver Foxes, but since DF has gotten to the top tier in SC HS football, the biggest threat is not Gaffney, or Byrnes, or Hanna, or even Dorman...to me, it's always Fort Dorchester. They have the talent and the coach to always be the biggest threat. I felt the same this year. I think they looked past River Bluff and got caught (River Bluff is turning into DF's best rival...solid program on the rise). Last year, the win over Fort D was the single best game DF has ever played, save maybe their showing against Allen TX, but I feel that was the best game they've ever played, to include some of those great games in 2018. Beating and undefeated LaPrad coached FD on the road, 48-0... best DF football ever. I will always remember Coach LaPrad before the game, sticking it to the Upstate calling that showdown, "basically the state championship".....love LaPrad! Fort D is always the team I see on the horizon as the best team in the state...next to the Silver Foxes, of course.

This may be the year they fall...was the best chance, I believe at least for a few years- and Hanna may do it. I think Covid threw a monkey wrench into things of course...and made it clear, the "best system" wins during times like this, not necessarily the "best team"....Fear The Fox...

Last year we didnt pass all that well.well you saw.nerves or what have you.yall demoralized our starterson O.second team got in and moved the ball half of our offensive output.
Probably because we ran a total different offensive set with
That set.should have left them in. They had a lot of fight left.that was 1st game a lot of them(2nd string) had lost since the 8th grade .
Kid was pissed .he was like you fight till its done idgaf.
This year i believe a combination of things bit us.we changed routine a bit not much(im a routine guy eat the same thing every thursday night.wear the same drawers ect. repetition) .a new oc .we are putting in a new offense very complicated.needed time durring the spring and summer.i felt our young qb got popped pretty good and got rattled.but hes young just a sophmore.
Im thinking sumter may have been in the heads somewhat.
I was thinking we shoukd havr slanted and stuffed the box on rb dared them to throw.but hell easy to coach when you aint in the box.
We return 90%of the oline and qb .lost a few recivers and a big rb. Im sure someone will step up.
I have no idea about the D .but i believe we lose a few good linebackers .we will come up with something im sure.the whole oline will be srs this comming year.

[mikey]

Gaffney ...ha

How many of those 17 titles came before the advent of face masks?....answer would be most of them.

One of them came against you ..and we ain't mad at cha...believe me....

[Fortfor5]

Gaffney ...ha

How many of those 17 titles came before the advent of face masks?....answer would be most of them.

One of them came against you ..and we ain't mad at cha...believe me....

I have to dig it out.lost the picture.but i have that state champion gaffney shirt from 2011.lol

[mikey]

Gaffney ...ha

How many of those 17 titles came before the advent of face masks?....answer would be most of them.

One of them came against you ..and we ain't mad at cha...believe me....

I have to dig it out.lost the picture.but i have that state champion gaffney shirt from 2011.lol

Glad u do....I dont know anyone from Gaffney that bought one....yes we were rightfully confident going into the game...but none of us at the epic PFT tailgate bought one....coaching let us down that day and has continued since....how the hell we beat a Tom Knotts team the next year is a mystery to me....talent alone I guess...If TK had came to Gaffney instead of DF ...I think we have at least 4 maybe 5 more....maybe that many had they not run Phil Strickland off..