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[bigdog2003]

Perhaps the high school league should go back to being the one that approves transfers as opposed to the schools doing this and maybe they should do the spot checks where they go out to schools randomly and check their athletic files. Doing away with those things has helped lead us to these questionable transfers.

OK, you do see the obvious flaw in your idea, right? You are using COMMON SENSE and the SC HSL in the same sentence!

But in all seriousness, isn't that what should be happening? If the transfer was approved PRIOR to the season or at the very least prior to the player getting on the field, then there wouldn't be situations where the entire team is punished for something they had no control over!

All good points..my line was more along the ease and how often they occur when athletes are involved with in districts.

I personally think public HS should go to the Charter/ private concept. What we got doesn’t work for a lot more reasons than athletics..

I think all school should go to the private concept, but I won't go into that right now. I will say, the current system of trying to educate EVERY kid is broken beyond repair.

[Penguin]

I've been pushing that for years now. Why are there two sets of rules for schools playing each other? These "charter" and private schools should be held to strict boundary lines like everybody else, OR they shouldn't be eligible to compete with schools that are.

In all seriousness, the SCHSL has no real power to do anything. If schools just decided to leave that joke of an organization and start their own, the SCHSL is powerless to stop them.

From their own purpose statement, posted on their website "promote uniformity of standards in all interscholastic athletic competition". So they are not even following their own purpose statement. To me, ALL means ALL. It doesn't mean ALL public high schools, while charter and private schools do their own thing. It means ALL schools either have boundaries in place and ALL schools play on a equal level, or you do away with it all together.

Look at 1A, in girl's volleyball, 3 of the last 4 in the upper state were private schools. In 2A volleyball, 3 of the last 4 in the state were private or charter schools. 1A girl's tennis, 3 of the last 4 were private schools, with both state finalist being private schools. The 1A upper state football bracket is a SCISA tournament. Christ Church and Southside Christian are the favorites to make the Upper State final, while Lewisville is the best real high school. What you are saying to these other schools is, you are playing for no better than 2nd place. These small town schools can have the best group of players coming through, only to face a de-facto AAU team in the playoffs.

I agree with you on the unfairness of the competition, {even though I don't think any of the private schools are operating for a single purpose} they do have a clearly obvious advantage when it comes to athletics and this has to be addressed soon! This topic has been discussed rather passionately in the past and there doesn't seem to be a clear and easy fix.

Some of the ideas I've heard include:

Make them play at 5A. This doesn't really solve the problem, it just relocates the problem and furthermore and more importantly, it punishes teams like Academic Magnet that can't be competitive at 1A, so those kids wouldn't have an opportunity for athletics at all and when it comes down to it, that is what it should all be about, being fair to the students who want to participate in athletics.

Put in their own bracket just like the SCISA schools. The most obvious fix in my mind...

Have a Committee that evaluates where they should go based on recent history. A committee from the SC HSL is never the answer!

If they do not operate for a single purpose, then what are the other purposes that cannot be obtained through a Charter School or Private School? The stated purposes of those schools is to control the curriculum. Other than athletics, I see no other reason for the existence of any of those Schools. There are a myriad of both Charter and Private Schools in the Charleston and Columbia areas. I am not familiar with Rock Hill, but I feel sure that similar opportunities exist there as well. I am not trying to argue, just defend my statement. I find it strange that the 3 largest, most discussed, and most prominent ones, all sprang up in areas of the state where athletics are a big priority and that good athletes were abundant.

I will tip my hat to "most" of the Charter Schools for not openly "recruiting" athletes from otherwise locked attendance zones. While they do accept students from anywhere that they can commute from, they haven't gone on a "recruiting" binge like Oceanside, Gray, and Legion, all have.

[Ddub14]

The biggest difference with the three schools you mentioned is that they have all been started by a corporation that has set out to do just what they are doing.
They are also the ones that are proposing the new school over in the Conway area . They see it as a business opportunity. Smart on their part ? Yes if they can get away with it , which the schsl seems plenty willing to do.
Makes you wonder who is getting greased!

[RamFan]

Hate it for the kids but rules are rules whether we like them or not

TL Hanna and Westside are in same district but that has to be approved by Superintendent office and they will not even approve it without bona fide move now days but in our area so many kids have parents that are divorced/not married and 1 may live in one are and the other in the other area

Has to be a bona fide move and not a “faux change of address”.

The AD’s job (school they were at and school they attend ) is to follow up and MAKE SURE it was bona fide move


My understanding is Greenville and Pickens Cnty kids can go where they choose as long as they have transportation (look at Daniel and Greenville’s football programs compared to rest of district )

[midstateguy]

My understanding is Greenville and Pickens Cnty kids can go where they choose as long as they have transportation (look at Daniel and Greenville’s football programs compared to rest of district )
This is giving teams a competitive advantage as well. I believe Richland 1 does this as well. This leads to teams playing pick a county all stars when they play them.

[Rebel-Fan-74]

If they do not operate for a single purpose, then what are the other purposes that cannot be obtained through a Charter School or Private School?

The same reason there are Private Schools, and you partially answered your own question here:

The stated purposes of those schools is to control the curriculum.

Also, the rest of your post hints at the other reasons they exist:

I find it strange that the 3 largest, most discussed, and most prominent ones, all sprang up in areas of the state where athletics are a big priority and that good athletes were abundant.

I agree that there is no coincidence in their location and I also add the fact that academics get a high priority and then you get the OVERALL answer to your question: someone is very good at the first rule of marketing: SUPPLY -vs- DEMAND. The folks in those areas you mention want the private education and they want the good athletic program, AND they are willing to pay for it. Those schools supply for the demand and they are making a living doing so! Their focus is $$$$ and the way they are getting there is to supply something the other schools do not, the education and the athletics. Those schools are above average in the SAT and ACT scores, so that draws some parents' attention and the athletics draws in others and the combination of the two draws in others as well. And those schools are making money, and I imagine they are making very good money!

Trust me, I'm not in favor of those schools getting the breaks they get now! I think something need to be done about the fairness issues that are more obvious than the division in this nation on most subjects! I do not like the idea of lumping all of them together for the reason you mentioned in your final sentence, some of them are following the rules more closely than others when it comes to attendance zones and the schools like Military Magnet, and others that are truly focused on education and offer athletics in the spirit they were intended; an afterschool extracurricular activity!

The issues must be addressed and while we don't like it, the attendance numbers are the criteria that determine A, AA, AAA, AAAA, or AAAAA, so that is how these schools will be placed, just like all the other schools in the state. So that issue is resolved!

But the "TRANSFER" rules are the issue that must be explored and resolved. I do not have the answer, but I can tell you that open attendance in all public schools is not the answer as that opens us up to a huge mess! Tax issues, classroom size, etc, and etc, for football? I don't think that will fly (except in Cherokee County with the Injuns where they already do it to Blacksburg).

[Ddub14]

Hate it for the kids but rules are rules whether we like them or not

TL Hanna and Westside are in same district but that has to be approved by Superintendent office and they will not even approve it without bona fide move now days but in our area so many kids have parents that are divorced/not married and 1 may live in one are and the other in the other area

Has to be a bona fide move and not a “faux change of address”.

The AD’s job (school they were at and school they attend ) is to follow up and MAKE SURE it was bona fide move


My understanding is Greenville and Pickens Cnty kids can go where they choose as long as they have transportation (look at Daniel and Greenville’s football programs compared to rest of district )

Another hit at the lions. We’re drawing from the well spring of talent from Liberty and Pickens. Your right. Hey how is that wr that left Daniel last year for the rams working out for ya?

[Red Raiders 02]

Hate it for the kids but rules are rules whether we like them or not

TL Hanna and Westside are in same district but that has to be approved by Superintendent office and they will not even approve it without bona fide move now days but in our area so many kids have parents that are divorced/not married and 1 may live in one are and the other in the other area

Has to be a bona fide move and not a “faux change of address”.

The AD’s job (school they were at and school they attend ) is to follow up and MAKE SURE it was bona fide move


My understanding is Greenville and Pickens Cnty kids can go where they choose as long as they have transportation (look at Daniel and Greenville’s football programs compared to rest of district )

Do you not realize how many high schools are in Greenville County? I assume you also don't know that the schools are magnet and chapter1 schools as to why you can go to which school you please? Smh but we aren't going to talk about the dirty tactics that your coach at Westside uses yeah the word been out about what he does to keep that program afloat lmao

[Ddub14]

Hate it for the kids but rules are rules whether we like them or not

TL Hanna and Westside are in same district but that has to be approved by Superintendent office and they will not even approve it without bona fide move now days but in our area so many kids have parents that are divorced/not married and 1 may live in one are and the other in the other area

Has to be a bona fide move and not a “faux change of address”.

The AD’s job (school they were at and school they attend ) is to follow up and MAKE SURE it was bona fide move


My understanding is Greenville and Pickens Cnty kids can go where they choose as long as they have transportation (look at Daniel and Greenville’s football programs compared to rest of district )

Do you not realize how many high schools are in Greenville County? I assume you also don't know that the schools are magnet and chapter1 schools as to why you can go to which school you please? Smh but we aren't going to talk about the dirty tactics that your coach at Westside uses yeah the word been out about what he does to keep that program afloat lmao

Bingo

[Red Raiders 02]

Hate it for the kids but rules are rules whether we like them or not

TL Hanna and Westside are in same district but that has to be approved by Superintendent office and they will not even approve it without bona fide move now days but in our area so many kids have parents that are divorced/not married and 1 may live in one are and the other in the other area

Has to be a bona fide move and not a “faux change of address”.

The AD’s job (school they were at and school they attend ) is to follow up and MAKE SURE it was bona fide move


My understanding is Greenville and Pickens Cnty kids can go where they choose as long as they have transportation (look at Daniel and Greenville’s football programs compared to rest of district )

Do you not realize how many high schools are in Greenville County? I assume you also don't know that the schools are magnet and chapter1 schools as to why you can go to which school you please? Smh but we aren't going to talk about the dirty tactics that your coach at Westside uses yeah the word been out about what he does to keep that program afloat lmao

Bingo

FACTS BRO