HOW LONG SHOULD A COACH HAVE TO WIN

[CITYSLICKER]

THEY CANNED BROWN AFTER 2 YEARS, HE WAS 1-9, AND 3-9, AND WON A PLAYOFF GAME. SHOULD HE HAVE BEEN FIRED???I SAY 5 YEARS

[96fanatic]

I agree with you Slick.Sometime a coach will
get hired at the right time when his first year
the team will have a bunch of returning players
that have played for a couple of years and he may
have a good 1st year but I think if the program
does not improve in 5 years then it is time for
a change.My Wildcats will have a bunch of
returning players this year so i think the new
coach will have a good start if all of the kids
come back.We will see in 5 months.

[Rebel-Fan-74]

Great question that has been asked by thousands of fans over the years...

The answer seems to be one that is never answered the same way. Some folks in today's world where everything is instant coffee, microwave cooking, instant messaging, want the coach to wave a magic wand and take a team that was last in the Region for the past few seasons and win in his first year. Personally, I think the coach has to have enough time to install his system and adapt the players and this goes from High School to the NFL. However, Slicker you and I and a few others are old enough to remember when coaches were loyal to the school and the school was loyal to the coach; but those days are long gone. Schools will axe the coach after 2 seasons, even where there is evidence of growth and improvement and coaches will leave for greener pastures after one season.

[CITYSLICKER]

I FELT LIKE BROWN WAS PROBABLY A YEAR AWAY, SO FELT LIKE 2024 WOULD HAVE BEEN HIS YEAR,

[bringthewood]

Great question that has been asked by thousands of fans over the years...

The answer seems to be one that is never answered the same way. Some folks in today's world where everything is instant coffee, microwave cooking, instant messaging, want the coach to wave a magic wand and take a team that was last in the Region for the past few seasons and win in his first year. Personally, I think the coach has to have enough time to install his system and adapt the players and this goes from High School to the NFL. However, Slicker you and I and a few others are old enough to remember when coaches were loyal to the school and the school was loyal to the coach; but those days are long gone. Schools will axe the coach after 2 seasons, even where there is evidence of growth and improvement and coaches will leave for greener pastures after one season.

It's not the coaches.

It's not the fans.

It's not the parents.

It's not the 'win now' culture..... for the most part.

It is the Administration that determine the tenure of a coach. There are very few Admins today that are former coaches.

Admins today have to toe the company line which in almost all districts aligns with 'woke' culture.... and sports ain't part of that, especially football. Or for matter of fact any mens sports, but especially the 'manly sports' which require physicality - football, wrestling, etc...

Most of the Admins today are structure climbers..... they are looking for their next job. There isn't a single Head Football Coach in the state of South Carolina, nor in any other state in our glorious Union, in which the people in charge of hiring a position above HS principal that will call a football coach and ask if that principal helped him in any way win football games. Those folks only tolerate sports in the general structure of education.

If a HFBC doesn't impede the principal from this advancement, then the HFBC can stay. It the HFBC is a problem.... whatever it may be, then he has to go because that might impede the principal from getting the next job.

[bearcat1]

If the coach is teaching young men how to grow into men of character, which would be grades, school behavior, great teamamtes, committed to the program, community service then the coach should have a long tenure. Only if the coach would be incompetent with the above factors in place should he be let go. Of course if the coach is doing all of the above he would be competent.

I think 4 years is a timetable that coach should be evaluated on.

[Rebel-Fan-74]

It's not the coaches.

It's not the fans.

It's not the parents.

It's not the 'win now' culture..... for the most part.

It is the Administration that determine the tenure of a coach. There are very few Admins today that are former coaches.

Admins today have to toe the company line which in almost all districts aligns with 'woke' culture.... and sports ain't part of that, especially football. Or for matter of fact any mens sports, but especially the 'manly sports' which require physicality - football, wrestling, etc...

Most of the Admins today are structure climbers..... they are looking for their next job. There isn't a single Head Football Coach in the state of South Carolina, nor in any other state in our glorious Union, in which the people in charge of hiring a position above HS principal that will call a football coach and ask if that principal helped him in any way win football games. Those folks only tolerate sports in the general structure of education.

If a HFBC doesn't impede the principal from this advancement, then the HFBC can stay. It the HFBC is a problem.... whatever it may be, then he has to go because that might impede the principal from getting the next job.

In some places, it is not the principal who make the call.. it is the District's School Board. The AD has to deliver the news; however, the School Board hires and fires.

[Cover Three]

It changes from school to school depending how serious the school is about football. If you are in region 2 5A the leash is probably pretty short. If one isn’t in the thick of things they won’t be there long. But then you drive 30 minutes over to Greenville County and one can seemingly have marginal success and as long as the coach doesn’t cause any off field issues they can hang around quite a while. Just depends on the expectations

[DFOLDMAN]

THEY CANNED BROWN AFTER 2 YEARS, HE WAS 1-9, AND 3-9, AND WON A PLAYOFF GAME. SHOULD HE HAVE BEEN FIRED???I SAY 5 YEARS

Slick, I think it depends on where a coach lands...If he winds up at say West-Oak...he is going to need some time. Never going to be a threat each year to win it all or even win region, so he will need a little more time to get established and get the buy in.

I said from day one you would be hard pressed to find a school that had more talent walking the halls than Dutch Fork. I knew if a really good coach arrived he could turn them into a force. Little did I know it would be Knotts, and DF would become the force. He took a program that went 2-9 in consecutive seasons, and went 10-3 his first season there. When a coach goes to a place like Dorman, South Pointe, Fort Dorchester, Summerville, Byrnes, Gaffney, Northwestern etc....the expectations are much higher because the talent is there.

A school like West-Oak, it will take a while to become respectable...a place like DF or FD...it should be immediate. Have to manage expectations accordingly.

Fear The Fox...

[HoodRoad]

IMO at the minimum 5 years unless the coach has character issues or is forced to resign or get fired. I base my thoughts on feeders. You have at least 2 years to gauge what you have on the way by your MS & JV teams. Continuity with your staff is important as well. This has been the recipe for success at Pville. Some of these schools the HC is strapped with his staff being made up with whoever is in the building and then their knowledge & experience is a factor. It stinks if the HC is having to teach his Assts how he wants to do things along with coaching the kids up.

We've had very little turnover with coaching and whenever we lost any coaches we had viable replacements either on hand or next door at the MS. Our MS & JV programs have been successful due to coaching, turnout, and talent. Prior to that we had a successful rec feeders with our kids mixed in with Wren kids at Wren youth and PLAY in Pville. None of those coming up may equal what we just had come through but if they stick together they'll continue to make some noise.