SCHSL Executive Meeting

[DFOLDMAN]

You guys need to lighten up.... just a game. It has its place...but still just a game.
Giving MVP a lot more credit than they deserve...they have not played a team with a pulse, save Woodruff and they aren't nearly as good as some folks think. 3A is down with the new shuffle for classifications. In SCISA they would run the table and not break a sweat, save maybe Hammond - would be like turning Abbeville loose in 1A...sadly, as has happened. 5A would not be fair to them (if we are talking fairness or are we talking seeing them getting stomped regularly to make some feel better about it), maybe 4A... teams like Daniel, Westside, South Pointe...they would handle those teams. There is never going to be enough of these type programs in SC to warrant their own classification as in larger states like Florida or California. Just not worth getting this worked up over...again, remember just a game that's fun to watch.

Fear The Fox...

[fridaynighttalking]

You guys need to lighten up.... just a game. It has its place...but still just a game.
Giving MVP a lot more credit than they deserve...they have not played a team with a pulse, save Woodruff and they aren't nearly as good as some folks think. 3A is down with the new shuffle for classifications. In SCISA they would run the table and not break a sweat, save maybe Hammond - would be like turning Abbeville loose in 1A...sadly, as has happened. 5A would not be fair to them (if we are talking fairness or are we talking seeing them getting stomped regularly to make some feel better about it), maybe 4A... teams like Daniel, Westside, South Pointe...they would handle those teams. There is never going to be enough of these type programs in SC to warrant their own classification as in larger states like Florida or California. Just not worth getting this worked up over...again, remember just a game that's fun to watch.

Fear The Fox...

It's easy to say that when your school hasn't been fundamentally affected by these schools, but thanks for taking the time to provide your insight.

[ballman864]

"It's just football, just line up and play, doesn't matter who is on the other side" is 100% good with me and I love competition. But when School A has to play with whatever Jimmy and Joes walk through their hall ways, and School B gets to pluck kid's from anywhere in the state, it waters down the game that we love. It is fun for those schools that benefit from those players, but you handcuff every other team and staff of wherever those kid's leave from. ESPECIALLY smaller classification programs that already have a hard enough time fielding teams, let alone have stand out ball players. Miss me with the "just play the game, it's still football"

[FootballFan59]

I believe I understand the issue with MC....something to do with ineligible players from NC.

I think there are two parts to the Gray issue- but not following the "player" issue. Don't see the problem aside from they need their own classification, however I don't think SC has the population and interest to support their own class. This is a free nation, and charter schools have their place and if the charter school wants to have an athletic program good on them. The closest one to Dutch Fork is Spring Hill, I believe- but they don't have an athletic program currently and those kids play sports at DF, Chapin and Irmo primarily.

I think having schools like MVP, Gray and Oceanside "play up" a classification or two from their actual enrollment is a good way to address their perceived advantages, but there are disadvantages as well, especially when it comes to reliable and consistent funding streams. Have no issue with what Gray and Oceanside have been doing. From what I saw regarding Oceanside, they run a nice operation there- no real optics on Gray or MVP, but they are "doing their thing".

End of the day, it's a kid's game, that doesn't really mean that much in the "grand scheme of things", and we all enjoy watching it... let them play ball!

Fear The Fox...

Spring hill is not a charter school at all. Spring hill is a magnet school within Lex/Rich District 5 that does not have athletic programs, so the students play sports at their home school within the district. This is not even close to being the same thing as a charter school that is built for athletic purposes first. The funny thing is these charter schools sell the same thing that public high schools offer as far as available programs (dual enrollment, AP courses) but people are ignorant to the facts. But the charter schools do not operate on the same playing field of traditional high schools. They can cap their enrollment, they can select their students, and they are also able to make up their own daily schedule, like ending the school day at noon and not having classes but 4 days a week and having a "virtual day" every Friday. There are many other things that go on as well.


Also kind of funny that you are defending the charter schools. You are blinded by the fact that you have Tom Knotts at DF and he draws people for athletic purposes to that school. Wait until he retires in a couple years and that draw is no longer there. I bet you will be singing a different tune when players are leaving DF to go to Gray or ALA which is open in Lexington now. People never seem to care much about a problem that they do not have to deal with.

Remember a couple years ago the younger Hyatt WR left to go to IMG, did not hurt DF because they could fill that one loss. Wait until it is 4-5 guys on each side of the ball. You are correct it is just a game, but it is a game that should be decided on a level playing field not one that is skewed to one side because they do not have to follow the same rules and the rest are just told to deal with it.

[racincowboy02]

You guys need to lighten up.... just a game. It has its place...but still just a game.
Giving MVP a lot more credit than they deserve...they have not played a team with a pulse, save Woodruff and they aren't nearly as good as some folks think. 3A is down with the new shuffle for classifications. In SCISA they would run the table and not break a sweat, save maybe Hammond - would be like turning Abbeville loose in 1A...sadly, as has happened. 5A would not be fair to them (if we are talking fairness or are we talking seeing them getting stomped regularly to make some feel better about it), maybe 4A... teams like Daniel, Westside, South Pointe...they would handle those teams. There is never going to be enough of these type programs in SC to warrant their own classification as in larger states like Florida or California. Just not worth getting this worked up over...again, remember just a game that's fun to watch.

Fear The Fox...

All I want is for it to be fair for all schools involved. I know its just a game and I love the game and want it to be fair and I know thats not going to happen but there has to be something that can be done between the private and public schools i tihnk moving them up to the 4A level would balance it out I don't think moving them to the 5A D1 level is not fair you could possibly move them to 5A D2 but again is that really fair for a school that fields what 35-50 kids and i think that number is generous

[FootballFan59]

You guys need to lighten up.... just a game. It has its place...but still just a game.
Giving MVP a lot more credit than they deserve...they have not played a team with a pulse, save Woodruff and they aren't nearly as good as some folks think. 3A is down with the new shuffle for classifications. In SCISA they would run the table and not break a sweat, save maybe Hammond - would be like turning Abbeville loose in 1A...sadly, as has happened. 5A would not be fair to them (if we are talking fairness or are we talking seeing them getting stomped regularly to make some feel better about it), maybe 4A... teams like Daniel, Westside, South Pointe...they would handle those teams. There is never going to be enough of these type programs in SC to warrant their own classification as in larger states like Florida or California. Just not worth getting this worked up over...again, remember just a game that's fun to watch.

Fear The Fox...

All I want is for it to be fair for all schools involved. I know its just a game and I love the game and want it to be fair and I know thats not going to happen but there has to be something that can be done between the private and public schools i tihnk moving them up to the 4A level would balance it out I don't think moving them to the 5A D1 level is not fair you could possibly move them to 5A D2 but again is that really fair for a school that fields what 35-50 kids and i think that number is generous

35-50 is not a generous number, they absolutely have that on their rosters. That is not what makes up their entire program either, they easily have anywhere from 70-100 players in their program, which comes from a makeup of about 400-500 students. That is not a normal percentage for any school with that student population. a 2A school with that student population would be lucky to have 70 players in their program.

[racincowboy02]

You guys need to lighten up.... just a game. It has its place...but still just a game.
Giving MVP a lot more credit than they deserve...they have not played a team with a pulse, save Woodruff and they aren't nearly as good as some folks think. 3A is down with the new shuffle for classifications. In SCISA they would run the table and not break a sweat, save maybe Hammond - would be like turning Abbeville loose in 1A...sadly, as has happened. 5A would not be fair to them (if we are talking fairness or are we talking seeing them getting stomped regularly to make some feel better about it), maybe 4A... teams like Daniel, Westside, South Pointe...they would handle those teams. There is never going to be enough of these type programs in SC to warrant their own classification as in larger states like Florida or California. Just not worth getting this worked up over...again, remember just a game that's fun to watch.

Fear The Fox...

All I want is for it to be fair for all schools involved. I know its just a game and I love the game and want it to be fair and I know thats not going to happen but there has to be something that can be done between the private and public schools i tihnk moving them up to the 4A level would balance it out I don't think moving them to the 5A D1 level is not fair you could possibly move them to 5A D2 but again is that really fair for a school that fields what 35-50 kids and i think that number is generous

35-50 is not a generous number, they absolutely have that on their rosters. That is not what makes up their entire program either, they easily have anywhere from 70-100 players in their program, which comes from a makeup of about 400-500 students. That is not a normal percentage for any school with that student population. a 2A school with that student population would be lucky to have 70 players in their program.

Ok I gotcha now. I don't get how the HSL can sit there and let this kind of stuff go on I mean you basically punished a public high school way worse than you did the prep school and that is BS. What are kind of message did that send to the rest of these prep schools and what message did it send to all of the public schools.

[midstateguy]

Schools are now targeting the middle schoolers that can play because A. No one really knows these kids yet. B. If you get them to transfer in during middle school they have not established eligibility yet so when they get to high school it is a smooth process. Dent middle School has lost a few players to Gray. Not just football players. They have lost basketball players as well.

[1 CAT FAN]

Money talks, corruption walks.
Poor ole’ Marlboro County tried to get in on the act. Just didn’t have enough cash flow under the table.

The corruption isn’t going to stop. Just a little show & tell for the next dollar to be made.

These smaller classification schools that have compete with the collegiate academy types in all sports don’t have a chance.

[DFOLDMAN]

Again....regardless...just a kid's game. SH is a magnet...forgot about that. Was gone for a long time, far away and it sprang up while I was away. Sorry to get Fan59 all bent outta shape. Not defending anyone...sharing observations.

When TK leaves DF...oh well, life goes on. DF will be fine. Life has never been in the past, is not currently, or ever will be in the future, "fair". Good life lesson to be honest for these kids. Charter School, Magnet School, Private School, Public School, Faith-Based School...they are there to "teach" supposedly. Honestly, the best education I got up through college and beyond was at home...with my family. Life lessons as well as scholarly ones.

All these sports are for kids to have fun, build friendships, grow and learn- people seem to forget that.

SCHSL will settle on where these schools belong in the greater pecking order- probably 4A I suspect, and all will be fine. But he is correct- resources matter...the charters have to hope the $$ pipeline keeps coming; the footing is less firm in their scenarios.

Let them play ball!

Fear The Fox...