Realignment Talk

[tigergirl]

Make private and charter play in their own playoff system.
I dont blame Gaffney for petitioning to stay out of region 3.
Could you see region 3 being? Counting only 9-11 will really change dynamics of all schools. You could see several schools bump up

Nw
Clover
Nafo
FM
Rock Hill
South Pointe
York

[upstateguy]

Nation Ford and Fort Mill will stay 5A
South Pointe could actually move to 5A since they are only counting ADM from 9th-11th. The STEM program is bringing South Pointe numbers up.

I believe you are correct with regards to FM and NF. Mathematically even if CR took 500 kids away from each school both would still have probably the minimum necessary to remain 5A. Which is sort of insane to think about.

SP will be close. They finished last year with about 1,150 kids in grades 9-11. That made them the 52nd largest high school in the state.

[Chuckster]

Make private and charter play in their own playoff system.
I dont blame Gaffney for petitioning to stay out of region 3.
Could you see region 3 being? Counting only 9-11 will really change dynamics of all schools. You could see several schools bump up

Nw
Clover
Nafo
FM
Rock Hill
South Pointe
York

Just curious, what is your justification regarding your position with charter and private schools?

[Damefan]

The only problems I see off the bat are Boiling Springs is no where near the student count close to being on this group.

If you read my original note, I am using the previous 135 day admission numbers and here they are:

1 Wando High School 4,365
2 Dorman High School 3,344
3 Summerville High School 3,012
4 Carolina Forest High School 2,425
5 Byrnes High School 2,368
6 Sumter High School 2,336
7 Boiling Spring High School 2,313
8 Mauldin High School 2,310
9 Ashley Ridge High School 2,283
10 Fort Dorchester High School 2,280
11 Clover High School 2,191
12 Fort Mill High School 2,133
13 Dutch Fork High School 2,132
14 Hillcrest High School 2,128
15 Spring Valley High School 2,079
16 West Ashley High School 2,060
17 Gaffney High School 2,032
18 Rock Hill High School 2,015
19 Goose Creek High School 1,990
20 Blythewood High School 1,987
21 Nation Ford High School 1,962
22 River Bluff High School 1,934
23 Spartanburg High School 1,913
24 Northwestern High School 1,904

Hanna, Woodmont, Mann, Easley, Wade Hampton, Westside, Riverside alone are larger in population. Going down the list on the net I still hadn't gotten to Spring Valley and Lexington, and Lugoff are bigger. In your count for #4 West Ashley is dwarfed by Stratford, Cane Bay, Colleton, and James Island.

I don't really understand this portion of your post, I"m guessing it has something to do with the list you were looking at, which is not what the SCHSL looks at.

Carolina Forest which is listed as being the 4th largest school behind Wando, Summerville and Dorman isn't even list!

Carolina Forrest not being part was the BIG ISSUE I mentioned in my first post.

When you say previous what are you referencing to as previous? Do you mean 2018-2019? Curious where you are getting your number for Boiling Springs since their 145 day count for last year was 2357 with the High School and the 9th grade campus combined. I was incorrect about them in my earlier posting not realizing that the 9th grade was not included with the regular high school. Sorry for my error! I loath making mistakes.

For the record I do understand what the SCHSL looks at for realignment. Been involved with it too many years in my previous life before retirement. I was merely pointing out that you had schools that were larger left out that should have been included, and some school should have been taken out and replaced with larger schools. I believe (and don't have a vote in the matter) that they should have a A-AAAA based on size and a Open Division for the largest schools to also include Charter and Private schools to play in. I previously posted why so I would be redundant.

https://ed.sc.gov/data/other/student-co ... eadcounts/

[Damefan]

The only problems I see off the bat are Boiling Springs is no where near the student count close to being on this group.

If you read my original note, I am using the previous 135 day admission numbers and here they are:

1 Wando High School 4,365
2 Dorman High School 3,344
3 Summerville High School 3,012
4 Carolina Forest High School 2,425
5 Byrnes High School 2,368
6 Sumter High School 2,336
7 Boiling Spring High School 2,313
8 Mauldin High School 2,310
9 Ashley Ridge High School 2,283
10 Fort Dorchester High School 2,280
11 Clover High School 2,191
12 Fort Mill High School 2,133
13 Dutch Fork High School 2,132
14 Hillcrest High School 2,128
15 Spring Valley High School 2,079
16 West Ashley High School 2,060
17 Gaffney High School 2,032
18 Rock Hill High School 2,015
19 Goose Creek High School 1,990
20 Blythewood High School 1,987
21 Nation Ford High School 1,962
22 River Bluff High School 1,934
23 Spartanburg High School 1,913
24 Northwestern High School 1,904

Hanna, Woodmont, Mann, Easley, Wade Hampton, Westside, Riverside alone are larger in population. Going down the list on the net I still hadn't gotten to Spring Valley and Lexington, and Lugoff are bigger. In your count for #4 West Ashley is dwarfed by Stratford, Cane Bay, Colleton, and James Island.

I don't really understand this portion of your post, I"m guessing it has something to do with the list you were looking at, which is not what the SCHSL looks at.

Carolina Forest which is listed as being the 4th largest school behind Wando, Summerville and Dorman isn't even list!

Carolina Forrest not being part was the BIG ISSUE I mentioned in my first post.

In reference to the Carolina Forest problem, with several SC schools now traveling to other states for games especially in AAAAA I don't see it as a major issue for teams to travel anymore. In Georgia it is not uncommon for some teams to travel a couple hours every week for games. Teams get upset if they have to drive an hour now a days.

[Penguin]

The only problems I see off the bat are Boiling Springs is no where near the student count close to being on this group.

If you read my original note, I am using the previous 135 day admission numbers and here they are:

1 Wando High School 4,365
2 Dorman High School 3,344
3 Summerville High School 3,012
4 Carolina Forest High School 2,425
5 Byrnes High School 2,368
6 Sumter High School 2,336
7 Boiling Spring High School 2,313
8 Mauldin High School 2,310
9 Ashley Ridge High School 2,283
10 Fort Dorchester High School 2,280
11 Clover High School 2,191
12 Fort Mill High School 2,133
13 Dutch Fork High School 2,132
14 Hillcrest High School 2,128
15 Spring Valley High School 2,079
16 West Ashley High School 2,060
17 Gaffney High School 2,032
18 Rock Hill High School 2,015
19 Goose Creek High School 1,990
20 Blythewood High School 1,987
21 Nation Ford High School 1,962
22 River Bluff High School 1,934
23 Spartanburg High School 1,913
24 Northwestern High School 1,904

Hanna, Woodmont, Mann, Easley, Wade Hampton, Westside, Riverside alone are larger in population. Going down the list on the net I still hadn't gotten to Spring Valley and Lexington, and Lugoff are bigger. In your count for #4 West Ashley is dwarfed by Stratford, Cane Bay, Colleton, and James Island.

I don't really understand this portion of your post, I"m guessing it has something to do with the list you were looking at, which is not what the SCHSL looks at.

Carolina Forest which is listed as being the 4th largest school behind Wando, Summerville and Dorman isn't even list!

Carolina Forrest not being part was the BIG ISSUE I mentioned in my first post.

In reference to the Carolina Forest problem, with several SC schools now traveling to other states for games especially in AAAAA I don't see it as a major issue for teams to travel anymore. In Georgia it is not uncommon for some teams to travel a couple hours every week for games. Teams get upset if they have to drive an hour now a days.

The travel problem is not based upon just football, but all other sports where home and home games are scheduled, and sports that do not produce any revenue like wrestling, volleyball, softball, baseball, golf, track & field. This is where travel expenses create a major dilemma for Athletic Directors. That is why I offered the suggestion of strictly football regions, and then localized regions for the remaining competitive sports.

[upstateguy]

The only problems I see off the bat are Boiling Springs is no where near the student count close to being on this group.

If you read my original note, I am using the previous 135 day admission numbers and here they are:

1 Wando High School 4,365
2 Dorman High School 3,344
3 Summerville High School 3,012
4 Carolina Forest High School 2,425
5 Byrnes High School 2,368
6 Sumter High School 2,336
7 Boiling Spring High School 2,313
8 Mauldin High School 2,310
9 Ashley Ridge High School 2,283
10 Fort Dorchester High School 2,280
11 Clover High School 2,191
12 Fort Mill High School 2,133
13 Dutch Fork High School 2,132
14 Hillcrest High School 2,128
15 Spring Valley High School 2,079
16 West Ashley High School 2,060
17 Gaffney High School 2,032
18 Rock Hill High School 2,015
19 Goose Creek High School 1,990
20 Blythewood High School 1,987
21 Nation Ford High School 1,962
22 River Bluff High School 1,934
23 Spartanburg High School 1,913
24 Northwestern High School 1,904

Hanna, Woodmont, Mann, Easley, Wade Hampton, Westside, Riverside alone are larger in population. Going down the list on the net I still hadn't gotten to Spring Valley and Lexington, and Lugoff are bigger. In your count for #4 West Ashley is dwarfed by Stratford, Cane Bay, Colleton, and James Island.

I don't really understand this portion of your post, I"m guessing it has something to do with the list you were looking at, which is not what the SCHSL looks at.

Carolina Forest which is listed as being the 4th largest school behind Wando, Summerville and Dorman isn't even list!

Carolina Forrest not being part was the BIG ISSUE I mentioned in my first post.

In reference to the Carolina Forest problem, with several SC schools now traveling to other states for games especially in AAAAA I don't see it as a major issue for teams to travel anymore. In Georgia it is not uncommon for some teams to travel a couple hours every week for games. Teams get upset if they have to drive an hour now a days.

The travel problem is not based upon just football, but all other sports where home and home games are scheduled, and sports that do not produce any revenue like wrestling, volleyball, softball, baseball, golf, track & field. This is where travel expenses create a major dilemma for Athletic Directors. That is why I offered the suggestion of strictly football regions, and then localized regions for the remaining competitive sports.

There was a time not terribly long ago where one of the Pee Dee regions (forget which one) would do all of their region duals for wrestling on one Saturday in January. It a.) saved them dates so they could schedule more freely and b.) it reduced travel costs by simply having everyone meet in one place on one day as opposed to everyone scheduling 4 or 5 separate dual meets.

[Damefan]

The only problems I see off the bat are Boiling Springs is no where near the student count close to being on this group.

If you read my original note, I am using the previous 135 day admission numbers and here they are:

1 Wando High School 4,365
2 Dorman High School 3,344
3 Summerville High School 3,012
4 Carolina Forest High School 2,425
5 Byrnes High School 2,368
6 Sumter High School 2,336
7 Boiling Spring High School 2,313
8 Mauldin High School 2,310
9 Ashley Ridge High School 2,283
10 Fort Dorchester High School 2,280
11 Clover High School 2,191
12 Fort Mill High School 2,133
13 Dutch Fork High School 2,132
14 Hillcrest High School 2,128
15 Spring Valley High School 2,079
16 West Ashley High School 2,060
17 Gaffney High School 2,032
18 Rock Hill High School 2,015
19 Goose Creek High School 1,990
20 Blythewood High School 1,987
21 Nation Ford High School 1,962
22 River Bluff High School 1,934
23 Spartanburg High School 1,913
24 Northwestern High School 1,904

Hanna, Woodmont, Mann, Easley, Wade Hampton, Westside, Riverside alone are larger in population. Going down the list on the net I still hadn't gotten to Spring Valley and Lexington, and Lugoff are bigger. In your count for #4 West Ashley is dwarfed by Stratford, Cane Bay, Colleton, and James Island.

I don't really understand this portion of your post, I"m guessing it has something to do with the list you were looking at, which is not what the SCHSL looks at.

Carolina Forest which is listed as being the 4th largest school behind Wando, Summerville and Dorman isn't even list!

Carolina Forrest not being part was the BIG ISSUE I mentioned in my first post.

In reference to the Carolina Forest problem, with several SC schools now traveling to other states for games especially in AAAAA I don't see it as a major issue for teams to travel anymore. In Georgia it is not uncommon for some teams to travel a couple hours every week for games. Teams get upset if they have to drive an hour now a days.

The travel problem is not based upon just football, but all other sports where home and home games are scheduled, and sports that do not produce any revenue like wrestling, volleyball, softball, baseball, golf, track & field. This is where travel expenses create a major dilemma for Athletic Directors. That is why I offered the suggestion of strictly football regions, and then localized regions for the remaining competitive sports.

There was a time not terribly long ago where one of the Pee Dee regions (forget which one) would do all of their region duals for wrestling on one Saturday in January. It a.) saved them dates so they could schedule more freely and b.) it reduced travel costs by simply having everyone meet in one place on one day as opposed to everyone scheduling 4 or 5 separate dual meets.

I remember within the past 10 years situations where regions before AAAAA teams such as North Augusta and South Aiken having to travel to Columbia for all their contests. 1 hour drive minimum for them. Bad during Basketball, Baseball, and Softball seasons but they did it for 4 years. Greenwood having to travel to the Greenville area can't be easy for them either. That was the reason Berkeley petitioned to be in AAAAA instead of AAAA during the last realignment. They would have had to travel to Hilton Head, Beaufort and so on for games. Again that is why I say having a Open Division would be easier to accommodate the needs. You are going to always have rural towns that are going to be affected. You can't tell Greenwood and Emerald to balance out their school populations so they can be in the same classification no more than Aynor and Carolina Springs. Until someone realizes that you can build one large super school for a community instead of multiple schools (High Schools) the problem will persist. Texas and other states have learned to deal successfully with this issue. Remember also all tax bases are different. some schools receive a athletic budget between 25,000-100,000 before they play their first game. Others receive nothing and have to be creative raising money to fund their athletics beyond tickets.

https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school- ... -of-texas/

[Penguin]

Nice idea, and worth noting. Unfortunately, we live in an ultra conservative state and those narrow minds have their heads set on the unproven fact that smaller classrooms equal better education. Here in Beaufort County alone, we have 2 High Schools that we surely don't need, and won't for the foreseeable future. I have seen no data to suggest that either Wando, Summerville, or Dorman High School graduates have any less quality education than those graduating from Calhoun Falls High School.

[Penguin]

Both Stall and Berkeley petitioned to go up to 5A. This left Region 7 4A with only 4 teams. We will gain May River next realignment, but still will have the smallest Region in the state. That travel issue for those 2 schools was equally as negative for the 4 schools of Region 7 4A. Prior to the 5A model, Beaufort High toiled in the 4A classification with travel being a tremendous disadvantage for us. All Charleston area schools and us comprised a region. It is a fact of life for some schools just out of geographical placement.