Realignment Talk

[StateChampsGHS]

Greenwood would travel further if they drop down to 4A. Region 1 consist of:
1. BHP
2. Daniel
3 . Palmetto
4. Pickens
5. Walhalla
6. Wren

Region 2 consist of:
1. Berea
2. Blue Ridge
3. Eastside
4. Greenville
5. Greer
6. Travelers Rest

[StateChampsGHS]

I understand that the drive to Greenville is an easy drive, but it is one hour from Greenwood to Hanna. During a regular school week where you play games on days other than Friday and you get home after 11:00 which I had happen many times back when I was coaching. It is a issue with parents and students. Especially if you are in a region where it happens regularly.

Changing the subject, Greenwood would have been a perfect model for one large school in a town instead of two like the Allen, TX article talked about. Could you imagine the powerhouse Summerville would still be if the had built a larger Summerville High instead of building West Ashley! They would still be dominant! Sometimes bigger is better in more ways!

I do want to acknowledge that I know you want to be in AAAAA but still don’t think it will happen this time around. Best wishes on your appeal if it comes to that.

I see. Yes, during the week it would make a difference. But just about either way you go you're going to have to travel an hour or more for 4A or 5A football opponents.

One big Greenwood school would be cool, but the powers that be have made the decision on that. There is enough talent in Greenwood to win though. That's just based on demographics alone. A good system and some creativity breeds success. Can't always win on just talent alone, especially if your opponent is equally as talented. I'm not sure we would've faired well in 4A this year either. Teams like Greenville use more creative plays and it works.

Yes we would like to stay 5A. To prove that with a better system and creativity that we can definitely compete. If we drop to 4A and win not much has been proven. But again. I'm not sure we would've won in 4A currently either. Teams like Greenville, BHP, Wren, Eastside, and especially South Point do things more creatively and are more balanced looking offensively.

May I ask which school did you coach at?

I agree. BHP, Daniel, Wren, Eastside, Greenville, Greer, Travelers Rest, South Pointe, Ridge View and Westwood would kick out tails in 4A. We just under the wrong leadership at head coach. New leadership is coming soon then everyone will see the big change in our program.

[eagle93]

I understand that the drive to Greenville is an easy drive, but it is one hour from Greenwood to Hanna. During a regular school week where you play games on days other than Friday and you get home after 11:00 which I had happen many times back when I was coaching. It is a issue with parents and students. Especially if you are in a region where it happens regularly.

Changing the subject, Greenwood would have been a perfect model for one large school in a town instead of two like the Allen, TX article talked about. Could you imagine the powerhouse Summerville would still be if the had built a larger Summerville High instead of building West Ashley! They would still be dominant! Sometimes bigger is better in more ways!

I do want to acknowledge that I know you want to be in AAAAA but still don’t think it will happen this time around. Best wishes on your appeal if it comes to that.

I see. Yes, during the week it would make a difference. But just about either way you go you're going to have to travel an hour or more for 4A or 5A football opponents.

One big Greenwood school would be cool, but the powers that be have made the decision on that. There is enough talent in Greenwood to win though. That's just based on demographics alone. A good system and some creativity breeds success. Can't always win on just talent alone, especially if your opponent is equally as talented. I'm not sure we would've faired well in 4A this year either. Teams like Greenville use more creative plays and it works.

Yes we would like to stay 5A. To prove that with a better system and creativity that we can definitely compete. If we drop to 4A and win not much has been proven. But again. I'm not sure we would've won in 4A currently either. Teams like Greenville, BHP, Wren, Eastside, and especially South Point do things more creatively and are more balanced looking offensively.

May I ask which school did you coach at?

I agree. BHP, Daniel, Wren, Eastside, Greenville, Greer, Travelers Rest, South Pointe, Ridge View and Westwood would kick out tails in 4A. We just under the wrong leadership at head coach.

I won't go that far as predicting outcomes of teams we didn't play. What I can say is, the ones of them that I watched play were definitely being more creative. Aren't winning in 5A with no creativity offensively.

[Damefan]

I understand that the drive to Greenville is an easy drive, but it is one hour from Greenwood to Hanna. During a regular school week where you play games on days other than Friday and you get home after 11:00 which I had happen many times back when I was coaching. It is a issue with parents and students. Especially if you are in a region where it happens regularly.

Changing the subject, Greenwood would have been a perfect model for one large school in a town instead of two like the Allen, TX article talked about. Could you imagine the powerhouse Summerville would still be if the had built a larger Summerville High instead of building West Ashley! They would still be dominant! Sometimes bigger is better in more ways!

I do want to acknowledge that I know you want to be in AAAAA but still don’t think it will happen this time around. Best wishes on your appeal if it comes to that.

I see. Yes, during the week it would make a difference. But just about either way you go you're going to have to travel an hour or more for 4A or 5A football opponents.

One big Greenwood school would be cool, but the powers that be have made the decision on that. There is enough talent in Greenwood to win though. That's just based on demographics alone. A good system and some creativity breeds success. Can't always win on just talent alone, especially if your opponent is equally as talented. I'm not sure we would've faired well in 4A this year either. Teams like Greenville use more creative plays and it works.

Yes we would like to stay 5A. To prove that with a better system and creativity that we can definitely compete. If we drop to 4A and win not much has been proven. But again. I'm not sure we would've won in 4A currently either. Teams like Greenville, BHP, Wren, Eastside, and especially South Point do things more creatively and are more balanced looking offensively.

May I ask which school did you coach at?

I agree. BHP, Daniel, Wren, Eastside, Greenville, Greer, Travelers Rest, South Pointe, Ridge View and Westwood would kick out tails in 4A. We just under the wrong leadership at head coach.

I won't go that far as predicting outcomes of teams we didn't play. What I can say is, the ones of them that I watched play were definitely being more creative. Aren't winning in 5A with no creativity offensively.

Where all I have coached is irrelevant, but what if I told you that I was approached and offered a position to coach at Greenwood within the past 10 years. I turned the opportunity down. It is true, but I had a better situation and the timing wasn't right so I chose to stay where I was! I don't think it is appropriate to disclose where I have been in that many of my comments are based on my experience and sometimes shared information along with my opinion. I still have friends whose teams I comment on still coaching and while we still talk some might not take kindly to my comments or opinions right or wrong. I hope you will except and respect my response.

[eagle93]

I understand that the drive to Greenville is an easy drive, but it is one hour from Greenwood to Hanna. During a regular school week where you play games on days other than Friday and you get home after 11:00 which I had happen many times back when I was coaching. It is a issue with parents and students. Especially if you are in a region where it happens regularly.

Changing the subject, Greenwood would have been a perfect model for one large school in a town instead of two like the Allen, TX article talked about. Could you imagine the powerhouse Summerville would still be if the had built a larger Summerville High instead of building West Ashley! They would still be dominant! Sometimes bigger is better in more ways!

I do want to acknowledge that I know you want to be in AAAAA but still don’t think it will happen this time around. Best wishes on your appeal if it comes to that.

I see. Yes, during the week it would make a difference. But just about either way you go you're going to have to travel an hour or more for 4A or 5A football opponents.

One big Greenwood school would be cool, but the powers that be have made the decision on that. There is enough talent in Greenwood to win though. That's just based on demographics alone. A good system and some creativity breeds success. Can't always win on just talent alone, especially if your opponent is equally as talented. I'm not sure we would've faired well in 4A this year either. Teams like Greenville use more creative plays and it works.

Yes we would like to stay 5A. To prove that with a better system and creativity that we can definitely compete. If we drop to 4A and win not much has been proven. But again. I'm not sure we would've won in 4A currently either. Teams like Greenville, BHP, Wren, Eastside, and especially South Point do things more creatively and are more balanced looking offensively.

May I ask which school did you coach at?

I agree. BHP, Daniel, Wren, Eastside, Greenville, Greer, Travelers Rest, South Pointe, Ridge View and Westwood would kick out tails in 4A. We just under the wrong leadership at head coach.

I won't go that far as predicting outcomes of teams we didn't play. What I can say is, the ones of them that I watched play were definitely being more creative. Aren't winning in 5A with no creativity offensively.

Where all I have coached is irrelevant, but what if I told you that I was approached and offered a position to coach at Greenwood within the past 10 years. I turned the opportunity down. It is true, but I had a better situation and the timing wasn't right so I chose to stay where I was! I don't think it is appropriate to disclose where I have been in that many of my comments are based on my experience and sometimes shared information along with my opinion. I still have friends whose teams I comment on still coaching and while we still talk some might not take kindly to my comments or opinions right or wrong. I hope you will except and respect my response.

I understand that and respect that. We all have opinions and they shouldn't be taken personally, even though sometimes they are. I'm just as guilty. I've made comments about coaching on here and I can feel the tension and awkwardness between me and the coach lately. Those who know me personally know my handle here also. No making different handles in attempt to hide from those who already know my handle and me. I think he's a great person, just don't agree with his offensive philosophy. It's really not a personal thing. I really wish Dan the best.

[upstateguy]

FWIW here are the enrollment numbers for as many schools as I could do from the SCDE's 2018-19 180 day (end of year) student count.

Schools in BOLD would be your top 48 and if the committee decides to keep 5A at 48 schools then those COULD be your potential 5A schools.


School 9 10 11 total 9-11 enrollment
Wando High 1,057 1,001 912 2,970
Dorman High 875 945 777 2,597
Summerville High 930 768 672 2,370
Carolina Forest High 762 684 560 2006
James F Byrnes High 653 635 600 1888
Ft Mill High 643 606 586 1835
Mauldin High 630 618 567 1815
Clover High 651 623 534 1808
Sumter High 697 629 459 1785
Boiling Springs High 599 626 553 1778
Ashley Ridge High 647 577 540 1764
Fort Dorchester High 634 574 537 1745
Nation Ford High 604 600 513 1717
Hillcrest High 633 570 483 1686
Spring Valley High 608 475 572 1655
Cane Bay High 575 566 513 1654
Lexington High 612 517 471 1600
Rock Hill High 577 503 511 1591
Spartanburg High 551 521 497 1569
J L Mann High Academy 529 582 455 1566
River Bluff High 553 580 420 1553
White Knoll High 602 507 429 1538
Goose Creek High 465 507 518 1490
Gaffney High 519 455 496 1470
T L Hanna High 532 483 448 1463
Stratford High 518 477 460 1455
Blythewood High 478 475 481 1434
Northwestern High 490 478 461 1429
Wade Hampton High 501 452 416 1369
Riverside High 481 455 426 1362
Woodmont High 517 431 388 1336
St. James High 483 425 421 1329
Socastee High 449 458 421 1328
Berkeley High 448 457 419 1324
South Florence High 517 427 379 1323
Dutch Fork High 449 415 448 1312
West Florence High 506 400 394 1300
Conway High 506 400 381 1287
Westside High 534 418 333 1285
West Ashley High 527 404 347 1278
Easley High 426 450 396 1272
Lugoff Elgin High 460 420 383 1263
James Island Charter High 437 412 389 1238
R B Stall High 431 437 366 1234
Colleton County High 426 396 397 1219
Ridge View High 439 416 344 1199
Greenwood High 453 375 368 1196
Eastside High 412 384 383 1179
Westwood High 463 371 339 1173
York Comprehensive High 416 386 366 1168
Greenville Sr High Academy 459 372 334 1165
South Pointe High 439 369 346 1154
N Myrtle Beach High 404 384 359 1147
Myrtle Beach High 428 381 336 1145
Laurens Dist 55 High 453 366 321 1140
Chapin High 411 384 340 1135
North Augusta High 390 393 348 1131
Richland Northeast High 440 371 311 1122
South Aiken High 401 374 341 1116
A. C. Flora High 407 356 341 1104
May River High 373 358 343 1074
Aiken High 422 285 353 1060
Midland Valley High 395 341 316 1052
Airport High 407 343 295 1045
Hilton Head Is. High 378 348 308 1034
Beaufort High 386 334 299 1019
Pickens High 356 331 316 1003
Irmo High 333 320 340 993
Bluffton High 374 316 271 961
Wilson High 334 362 253 949
Hartsville High 375 274 298 947
Indian Land High 364 295 275 934
Lancaster High 345 295 293 933
Travelers Rest High 373 312 243 928
Dreher High 359 280 282 921
Lower Richland High 373 272 273 918
Greer High 353 283 258 894
Darlington High 329 309 238 876
Berea High 345 255 268 868
Walhalla High 326 290 251 867
D W Daniel High 317 291 258 866
Crestwood High 330 287 240 857
Union County High 332 270 253 855
Belton Honea Path High 301 279 266 846
Gilbert High 325 254 237 816
Blue Ridge High 258 287 263 808
Lakewood High 287 267 243 797
Wren High 271 262 259 792
B C Sr High 332 264 180 776
Orngb Wilkinson High 321 276 173 770
Seneca High 281 262 222 765
Marlboro County High 285 240 238 763
Camden High 269 230 258 757
Georgetown High 289 212 255 756
Palmetto High 281 250 212 743
Hanahan High 237 249 255 741
Dillon High School 273 225 202 700
Chapman High 248 255 194 697
Waccamaw High 237 209 244 690
Swansea High 249 247 190 686
Powdersville High 219 244 218 681
Broome High 241 233 197 671
Clinton High 265 254 148 667
Chester Sr High 278 214 172 664
Lake City High 282 211 167 660
Pendleton High 239 225 186 650
Carolina Academy (High) 298 194 157 649
Emerald High 243 214 190 647
Aynor High 223 227 192 642
Loris High 233 188 218 639
Manning High 203 239 196 638
Strom Thurmond High 211 204 205 620
Southside High 303 160 145 608
West-Oak High 194 222 183 599
Battery Creek High 220 193 180 593
Keenan High 266 169 150 585
Woodruff High 210 189 178 577
Fairfield Central High 214 181 176 571
Lake Marion High & Tech Ctr 253 156 152 561
Crescent High 193 171 195 559
Mid Carolina High 191 212 152 555
Newberry High 196 175 178 549
N Charleston High 255 160 130 545
Fox Creek High 189 195 152 536
Marion High 198 160 170 528
Columbia High 217 160 144 521
Silver Bluff High 196 178 140 514
Woodland High 176 161 175 512
Bishop England 512
Pelion High 198 169 139 506
Academic Magnet High 168 167 169 504
Chesnee High 172 192 134 498
Liberty High 215 135 147 497
Oceanside Collegiate Academy 162 168 162 492
Edisto High 184 164 138 486
Andrew Jackson High 163 173 142 478
Cheraw High 177 167 130 474
Barnwell High 159 175 135 469
Saluda High 186 155 127 468
Central High 186 138 141 465
Timberland High 159 160 142 461
Kingstree Senior High 168 162 128 458
Wade Hampton High 169 138 144 451
Andrews High 169 153 123 445
Ridgeland-Hardeeville High 155 157 126 438
Landrum High 150 151 137 438
Buford High 154 129 148 431
Eau Claire High 194 140 93 427
Batesburg-Leesville High 172 130 122 424
Lee Central High 159 138 124 421
Blacksburg High 139 142 117 398
Philip Simmons High 144 153 93 390
North Central High 141 113 115 369
Gray Collegiate Academy 133 124 112 369
Abbeville High 142 129 96 367
Greer Middle College Charter High 121 121 114 356
Latta High 140 125 90 355
Brashier Middle College 128 108 111 347
Ninety Six High 121 106 114 341
East Clarendon Middle-High 110 112 112 334
Whale Branch Early College High 99 108 127 334
C A Johnson High 147 102 83 332
Greenville Tech Charter Hi 126 98 108 332
Chesterfield High 116 108 103 327
Calhoun County High 111 117 97 325
St. Josephs Catholic High School 325
Burke High 139 93 86 318
Green Sea Floyds High 133 89 93 315
Hannah Pamplico High 146 92 74 312
Mullins High 118 110 82 310
Christ Church Episcopal Church 297
Lewisville High 113 93 90 296
Carvers Bay High 107 103 86 296
NEXT High School 87 96 104 287
Bamberg Ehrhardt High 92 106 88 286
St Johns High 111 95 70 276
Southside Christian 264
Johnsonville High 107 81 73 261
Dixie High 94 75 82 251
High Point Academy 106 73 67 246
Charleston Charter Math/Science 91 79 70 240
Allendale Fairfax High 71 88 76 235
McBee High 75 79 75 229
Lake View High 94 69 64 227
Palmetto Scholars Academy 81 68 68 217
Baptist Hill High 87 70 55 212
C E Murray High 64 69 77 210
Wagener-Salley High 84 64 61 209
Garrett Academy of Tech 86 60 58 204
Lamar High 73 64 66 203
Ridge Spring Monetta High 69 80 54 203
Hemingway High 79 57 65 201
Ware Shoals High 77 72 49 198
Williston Elko High 78 53 55 186
Scotts Branch High 78 46 44 168
Military Magnet Academy 88 57 20 165
McCormick High 61 49 47 157
Branchville High 47 54 50 151
Great Falls High 53 50 46 149
Cross High 50 46 48 144
Royal Oaks Academy 56 46 41 143
Governors School for Math and Science 0 0 142 142
Estill High 50 37 54 141
Blackville-Hilda High 46 42 49 137
Whitmire Community High 34 56 47 137
Denmark Olar High 54 39 35 128
Bethune-Bowman Middle/High 49 46 26 121
Timmonsville High 43 38 40 121
Hunter-Kinard-Tyler High 40 46 32 118
Coastal Leadership 30 58 30 118
Creek Bridge High 36 36 40 112
North Middle/High 40 28 40 108
Bridges Prepatory 36 27 41 104
Lowcountry Leadership Charter School 35 36 29 100
Calhoun Falls Charter 19 26 18 63
Richland One Middle College High 0 0 41 41
SC School for the Deaf and Blind 11 8 8 27

[upstateguy]

Greenville County Schools 15 day count for 2019-20

Grades 9-11
Eastside 1,197
Greenville 1,235
Hillcrest 1,758
JL Mann 1,548 (9th grade class is just shy of 600, bigger than Mauldin's)
Mauldin 1,778
Riverside 1,375
Wade Hampton 1,412
Woodmont 1,402

Will be interesting to see where Eastside and Greenville end up. Chance that you could see 8 GC schools in 5A.

https://www.greenville.k12.sc.us/Depart ... 5_high.pdf

[Deputy]

As far as Greenville County......in truth, Wade Hampton should be reclassified 4A for athletics. When they built the new high school about a decade ago, the powers that be decided to build the county fine arts center on their campus. So lots of the folks at the fine arts center take their core courses at Wade Hampton. But you can figure how many athletes a fine arts center crowd produces for any sport.

[SF Band dad]

As far as Greenville County......in truth, Wafe Hampton should be reclassified 4A for athletics. When they built the new high school about a decade ago, the powers that be decided to build the county fine arts center on their campus. So list of the folks at the fine arts center take their core courses at Wade Hampton. But you can figure how many athletes a fine arts center crowd produces for any sport.

There are lots of "special cases" like that. In Florence county the IB program is located at Wilson HS. Some of those kids play soccer, volleyball and tennis, but with the exception of "kicker" none of those kids are playing football. It is what it is.

[upstateguy]

As far as Greenville County......in truth, Wafe Hampton should be reclassified 4A for athletics. When they built the new high school about a decade ago, the powers that be decided to build the county fine arts center on their campus. So list of the folks at the fine arts center take their core courses at Wade Hampton. But you can figure how many athletes a fine arts center crowd produces for any sport.

As far as Greenville County......in truth, Wafe Hampton should be reclassified 4A for athletics. When they built the new high school about a decade ago, the powers that be decided to build the county fine arts center on their campus. So list of the folks at the fine arts center take their core courses at Wade Hampton. But you can figure how many athletes a fine arts center crowd produces for any sport.

There are lots of "special cases" like that. In Florence county the IB program is located at Wilson HS. Some of those kids play soccer, volleyball and tennis, but with the exception of "kicker" none of those kids are playing football. It is what it is.

Southside HS in Greenville I'm sure is similar to Wilson in that they are the main IB school in the GCSD. I couldn't tell ya how much of their enrollment is IB students but I can tell ya that probably few of them play football.