24-26 Realignment

[Noble Savage]

How does someone get hired at the SCHSL and how exactly did it come to exist?? Is it a government office?? Seems like a "thin air" job? You just make up titles like Director, Executive, Committee,etc..
And make a salary off of overseeing AD'S??
it's like a AD POLICE?? to make sure no one cheats? And they count ppl once a year and do some paperwork??

I mean what would happen if every school just ignored them and started some other governing body?

I'd love to see ol' Gov. Foghorn Leghorn hold a press conference on why points after the 3rd quarter matter.

[Tiger84]

For those interested here is the 135 day count from the 2022-23 school year for grades 9-11 for the largest 50 high schools in the state.

While the new rules stipulate that the 45 day count be used I figure this is pretty close to what we'll see for 5A at least

Since most schools open with large enrollments, I figure those schools who by the end of the year are still big enrollment wise have a good chance of being big enrollment schools in the fall.

Those schools in bold would be in the top 36 (since 5A these last two years was the biggest 36). 5A I believe at one point was the biggest 40 but I can't recall if the high school league has ever gone over 40 schools for 5A in it's short history.

Dorman High 2926
Summerville High 2455
Carolina Forest High 2356
James F Byrnes High 2341
Boiling Springs High 2053
Clover High 2004
Stratford High 1999
Ashley Ridge High 1926
Wando High 1876
Lexington High 1819
Fort Dorchester High 1730
Mauldin High 1712
Sumter High 1691
Cane Bay High 1676
White Knoll High 1659
River Bluff High 1647
Woodmont High 1647
Spring Valley High 1644
Blythewood High 1609
Spartanburg High 1604
J L Mann High Academy 1600
Hillcrest High 1582
R B Stall High 1553
Ft Mill High 1549
Goose Creek High 1505
Rock Hill High 1471
West Ashley High 1469
Easley High 1464
T L Hanna High 1452
Nation Ford High 1431
Gaffney High 1405
West Florence High 1384
St. James High 1383
Riverside High 1373
Wade Hampton High 1363
Berkeley High 1360
Greenville Sr High Academy 1333
Greenwood High 1331
Westside High 1327
Conway High 1326
Lucy Garrett Beckham High 1322
Northwestern High 1309
Indian Land High 1309
Socastee High 1304
Westwood High 1303
Ridge View High 1295
Dutch Fork High 1290
Lugoff Elgin High 1288
North Augusta High 1278
Chapin High 1258

Let me get this straight....Easley, Riverside, Wade Hampton and West Florence all had 5A enrollment numbers but played in 4A? Then Conway and Socastee had 4A enrollment numbers and played in 5A? What's the problem with letting the numbers dictate what division teams play in? I know travel has to be considered, but Socastee would have been an easy trade off with West Flo. That would be an easy adjustment to make for those two regions and the proper placement of both schools.

[EHSMeanGreen]

For those interested here is the 135 day count from the 2022-23 school year for grades 9-11 for the largest 50 high schools in the state.

While the new rules stipulate that the 45 day count be used I figure this is pretty close to what we'll see for 5A at least

Since most schools open with large enrollments, I figure those schools who by the end of the year are still big enrollment wise have a good chance of being big enrollment schools in the fall.

Those schools in bold would be in the top 36 (since 5A these last two years was the biggest 36). 5A I believe at one point was the biggest 40 but I can't recall if the high school league has ever gone over 40 schools for 5A in it's short history.

Dorman High 2926
Summerville High 2455
Carolina Forest High 2356
James F Byrnes High 2341
Boiling Springs High 2053
Clover High 2004
Stratford High 1999
Ashley Ridge High 1926
Wando High 1876
Lexington High 1819
Fort Dorchester High 1730
Mauldin High 1712
Sumter High 1691
Cane Bay High 1676
White Knoll High 1659
River Bluff High 1647
Woodmont High 1647
Spring Valley High 1644
Blythewood High 1609
Spartanburg High 1604
J L Mann High Academy 1600
Hillcrest High 1582
R B Stall High 1553
Ft Mill High 1549
Goose Creek High 1505
Rock Hill High 1471
West Ashley High 1469
Easley High 1464
T L Hanna High 1452
Nation Ford High 1431
Gaffney High 1405
West Florence High 1384
St. James High 1383
Riverside High 1373
Wade Hampton High 1363
Berkeley High 1360
Greenville Sr High Academy 1333
Greenwood High 1331
Westside High 1327
Conway High 1326
Lucy Garrett Beckham High 1322
Northwestern High 1309
Indian Land High 1309
Socastee High 1304
Westwood High 1303
Ridge View High 1295
Dutch Fork High 1290
Lugoff Elgin High 1288
North Augusta High 1278
Chapin High 1258

Let me get this straight....Easley, Riverside, Wade Hampton and West Florence all had 5A enrollment numbers but played in 4A? Then Conway and Socastee had 4A enrollment numbers and played in 5A? What's the problem with letting the numbers dictate what division teams play in? I know travel has to be considered, but Socastee would have been an easy trade off with West Flo. That would be an easy adjustment to make for those two regions and the proper placement of both schools.

Keep in mind the numbers posted are just raw numbers directly from the schools and don't include all the other students from other schools or campuses within the district that have be counted toward their total.
For Example:
Dutch Fork will have a significant number of student added to their total from Spring Hill High School that is within their district and students that are eligible to play for Dutch Fork.
Conway always has a fair number of students added to their total from some of the specialty schools within the district.

[HoodRoad]

It's too bad you can't base classification off actual number of athletic participants. That would most likely be a nightmare but think about it...bring back making cuts, cap the number of athletes per team, establish some sort of approximate +/- number year in & out and base the class on those numbers. As it stands you have schools with numbers on paper that are skewed because of actual bodies in the building not on athletes numbers. Take WH and Berea for example, WH has to count the kids attending the Fine Arts Center toward their attendance because they share a campus and the FAC kids eat lunch at WH. At Berea, there's a whole cultural change and most of those students aren't participating in sports outside of soccer and a few for football. I think JL Mann may be skewed as well. I know at one time they had a number of handicapped and deaf students. If you have 1200 total kids and only about 100 of them, maybe that many, play sports, there's no way they should be playing 4 or 5A sports.

[bringthewood]

How does someone get hired at the SCHSL and how exactly did it come to exist?? Is it a government office?? Seems like a "thin air" job? You just make up titles like Director, Executive, Committee,etc..
And make a salary off of overseeing AD'S??
it's like a AD POLICE?? to make sure no one cheats? And they count ppl once a year and do some paperwork??

I mean what would happen if every school just ignored them and started some other governing body?

I'd love to see ol' Gov. Foghorn Leghorn hold a press conference on why points after the 3rd quarter matter.

The SCHSL was formed by the member schools. The additions were approved by the members schools. The SCHSL and SCISA are leagues that exist because the member schools created them. NOW...

I do not know the process for a member school to leave and/or join another league. I do know this for the SCHSL; Christ Church and Bishop England have been member school for quite some time. The SCISA teams are schools built out of the effects of integration.... not going down that road.

The public charters are a new concept built out of the modern concept of schooling, primarily for SC that nobody lives in the same mill village or farm community forever and ever amen anymore.

Now how to sift through all this. The member schools have created this mess. When CCES was a single A school and not doing much, no one cared. When Bishop England was a .500 at best team in A/AA, no one cared; at least when that was their football teams....... Fast forward to the last 15-20 years and CCES and BE started winning state championships, THEN it became a big deal and a question of fairness. Mess with the Holy Cow of FOOTBALL and then it becomes an issue.....

But NOBODY, at least nobody of note, complained when BE won something like 18 straight volleyball champions, or CCES basically named their score on the boys gold championship.... and they played member schools....... well at least it wasn't against the football team.

Now the Charters.... I don't know if SCISA would allow a publicly funded school, but the SCHSL let them play. That is on the member schools. If they failed to address this, then there is nothing the SCHSL can do. I don't know the answer, and I understand the frustration. However, there is always going to be an imbalance no matter how you slice the pie; it might be in football, it might be basketball, it might be in track, it might be in demographics, it might be in income.

Life isn't fair. The fair comes in October and you can ride rides and buy cotton candy.

I get fed up with 'member schools' fussin' about this team or that team, or this ruling or that ruling, suing to get into the playoffs, etc... WHEN THEY ARE MEMBER SCHOOLS AND ARE 'SUPPOSED' TO ADHERE THE LEAGUE RULINGS.

Jerome has said time and time again, he simply enforces what the members schools want.

And yes, I'm not working in, related to, invested in, or any way shape or form with the SCHSL.

Noble Savage, not knocking you; just using your thread to vent on the gossipers/whiners.

[mikey]

How does someone get hired at the SCHSL and how exactly did it come to exist?? Is it a government office?? Seems like a "thin air" job? You just make up titles like Director, Executive, Committee,etc..
And make a salary off of overseeing AD'S??
it's like a AD POLICE?? to make sure no one cheats? And they count ppl once a year and do some paperwork??

I mean what would happen if every school just ignored them and started some other governing body?

I'd love to see ol' Gov. Foghorn Leghorn hold a press conference on why points after the 3rd quarter matter.

The SCHSL was formed by the member schools. The additions were approved by the members schools. The SCHSL and SCISA are leagues that exist because the member schools created them. NOW...

I do not know the process for a member school to leave and/or join another league. I do know this for the SCHSL; Christ Church and Bishop England have been member school for quite some time. The SCISA teams are schools built out of the effects of integration.... not going down that road.

The public charters are a new concept built out of the modern concept of schooling, primarily for SC that nobody lives in the same mill village or farm community forever and ever amen anymore.

Now how to sift through all this. The member schools have created this mess. When CCES was a single A school and not doing much, no one cared. When Bishop England was a .500 at best team in A/AA, no one cared; at least when that was their football teams....... Fast forward to the last 15-20 years and CCES and BE started winning state championships, THEN it became a big deal and a question of fairness. Mess with the Holy Cow of FOOTBALL and then it becomes an issue.....

But NOBODY, at least nobody of note, complained when BE won something like 18 straight volleyball champions, or CCES basically named their score on the boys gold championship.... and they played member schools....... well at least it wasn't against the football team.

Now the Charters.... I don't know if SCISA would allow a publicly funded school, but the SCHSL let them play. That is on the member schools. If they failed to address this, then there is nothing the SCHSL can do. I don't know the answer, and I understand the frustration. However, there is always going to be an imbalance no matter how you slice the pie; it might be in football, it might be basketball, it might be in track, it might be in demographics, it might be in income.

Life isn't fair. The fair comes in October and you can ride rides and buy cotton candy.

I get fed up with 'member schools' fussin' about this team or that team, or this ruling or that ruling, suing to get into the playoffs, etc... WHEN THEY ARE MEMBER SCHOOLS AND ARE 'SUPPOSED' TO ADHERE THE LEAGUE RULINGS.

Jerome has said time and time again, he simply enforces what the members schools want.

And yes, I'm not working in, related to, invested in, or any way shape or form with the SCHSL.

Noble Savage, not knocking you; just using your thread to vent on the gossipers/whiners.

Good points BTW..

[Rebel-Fan-74]

I'd love to see ol' Gov. Foghorn Leghorn hold a press conference on why points after the 3rd quarter matter.

That rule is a REGION II 5A rule, it was the AD's who made the rule, not the SCHSL...

I spoke with a former AD and he said it was jokingly called the "run it up rule" so teams that scored extra points after the game was no longer in doubt would not be rewarded.

[SF Band dad]

The SCHSL has "proposed" tie-breaking rules, but each region determines their own. This of course, drives us nuts, when we're trying to project region seeds and playoff brackets.

The proposed rules can be found on page 87, in the Rules & Regulations section of the AD's Notebook: https://schsl.org/archives/11391